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for the masses headline additionally

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july 8 1947

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the army air force's has announced that

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a flying disc has been found

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and is now in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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difference is worldwide would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you're listening to fate to black with

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good evening fade to black

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bespoke radio

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for the

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today is tuesday may 18 2021.

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138 days into the new year only 227 days

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we are live from a bunker a bunker that

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is somewhere in the middle of nowhere

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the total undisclosed location but

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it is beautiful i would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the united states hither and

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tether to and fro back and forth up and

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer network and kgra the

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planet i'm your host jimmy church what

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is cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing i guess

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yesterday i'm gonna fire things up right

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should have done this long time ago

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the video feed to kgra

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that's right into their members area

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welcome to everybody over there kgra

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you've been getting the audio feed and

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uh now you've got the video feed

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there you go okay so welcome i was over

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uh so you know i jump around right

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that's why i keep the video off because

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i'm saying hello over here i'm saying

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hello over here i've got all these

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and and say hello to everybody so

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um i got that out of the way and i

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hello to kgra so they they got the shout

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what a show we have in front of us

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and uh it is nick redfern nick redfern

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maryland and martians

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two two my favorite subjects going down

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ufo megacon uh june 6th through the 12th

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real in person ufo conference all right

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black come by and say hi

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and uh and hang out with us okay ufo

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laughlin nevada i am so looking forward

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spend seven days of hanging out with

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i so look forward to it okay so ufo

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laughlin nevada follow me on twitter at

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is the sandbox all right

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earlier today that we are canceling

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this thursday's show i have to fly home

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from the public in public view but

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i didn't want a bunch of crazy rumors

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going around about cancelled shows and

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what is going on

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we have to take off because i'm going to

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and and i never would and um i do want

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this uh uh this terrible situation that

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the the the circle of life um

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it has been going on for a while and and

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my dad is strong

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life goes on your life goes on

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there's just no reason to you know talk

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about this stuff every night on the air

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but today i got that phone call that

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nobody wants to get

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spent with you are my escape from

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the harsh realities of life so tonight

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let's get to the other news nasa has

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and bring back any extraterrestrial life

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it discovers this is not a joke this is

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the return journey of the probe which

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would be fueled by the celestial

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methane lakes the space agency recently

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it's a grant from the nasa innovative

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ohio to figure out whether such a

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amazon pauses sales of facial

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midnight run amazing movie one of my

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rosemary's baby one of my man who's

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ishtar some say the worst movie ever

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heaven can wait well charles died today

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at his home in connecticut

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after battling cancer he was 86 years

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wow rest in peace charles grodin funny

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his tower man he was great in ishtar

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yeah all right midnight run too all

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right let's get the show cracking happy

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birthday to today

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tina fey is 51

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keyboard god rick wakeman today is 72

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and mark mothersbaugh that's right

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and now writes the soundtrack to

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everything you hear

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in hollywood in film and television mark

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71 years old wes anderson films mark

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and our dead guy's birthday today is

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perry como that's right there's some

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ladies out there right now that just

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1912 to 2001 died at the age of 88 perry

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perry received five emmys a christopher

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academy of television arts and sciences

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after his death

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he received a grammy lifetime

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achievement award and was inducted into

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music hall of fame he has the

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of having three stars on the hollywood

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music during a career spanning more than

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half a century

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he recorded exclusively for rca records

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for 44 years

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after signing with the label way back in

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1943.

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perry died into sleep on may 12 2001

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at his home in the jupiter inlet colony

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in florida six days before his

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89th birthday happy birthday perry on

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this day in history

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1980 it went down

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mount saint helens erupts in southwest

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washington

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killing 57 people and devastating some

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210 square miles

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of wilderness i remember hearing they

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said

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i forget what it was but it was it was

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something like

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five cubic square miles or some

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some craziness of dirt and rock

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blasted out of the ground it's crazy

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somebody somebody post that up on

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twitter

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tell me how many cubic miles of dirt

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did mount saint helens belch fader fact

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here we go h.p lovecraft

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was never able to support himself from

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his earnings

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as an author his book the shadow over

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ins mouth

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written one year before his death only

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sold 200 copies

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he died in poverty penniless

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at the age of 46. he collect his

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collected works

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and copyrights have an estimated worth

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of 250 million dollars

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today and that is your favorite fact

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tonight very special guest nick redfearn

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it's gonna be here with us we are

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discussing maryland

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and martians we're gonna have martians

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up first by the way

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that's tonight tomorrow night david

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marlar is with us

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and yeah i want to break down the 60

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minutes

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uap special from this past sunday that

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and a whole lot more tomorrow night with

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david marlar and

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thursday the show is cancelled

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all right let me hit this river moon

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rivermoonwellness.com faded black blend

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game changer ben uh blend okay cass just

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said

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on may 8th 1980 the volcano lost an

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estimated 3.4

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billion cubic yards

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0.633 of a cubic mile

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of its cone okay

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yeah that's that's that's pretty good

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data that's pretty good data

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how many cubic miles how many

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cash that's good thank you for that and

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you're very quick

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all right nick redfern with us tonight

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at the bottom of the hour

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stay with me

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got a lump in my throat people trying to

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get rid of it all right

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well

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it's been a crazy week for the ufo

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community

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for that matter it's been a pretty

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pretty nutty month

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and actually a fantastic year or two

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or three four right

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one of the things that i love to do

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is give you a list of things that have

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happened

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because quite honestly uh you've

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forgotten

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about most of it why

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well because too much happens too

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and and with this out of control news

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cycle

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that we find ourselves in these days

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it's just too easy to forget about

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the day before that's just the way it is

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let alone the week or the month even the

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year but yes

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we've had some amazing days happen in

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this little

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group that we call ufology

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is it ufology or uf

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ology i'm going with

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youth that's right every time i hear

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someone say

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uf it just hurts my ears it's either

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ufology or euphology

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right that's that's it that's it that's

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it either one works

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but it ain't uf ology ufology would be

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the study of those crazy tv channels you

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know like 14 through 83 back in the day

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i'm just saying oh wait that's uhf

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but anyway get it right people it's

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euphology ufology you

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no anyway anyway anyway i'm really

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curious as to how

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the 60 minutes uap special is going to

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play out

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in historical terms in that

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will it be talked about five or ten

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years from now

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how about next week

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that's the that's the news cycle that we

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live in today i mean have we already

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forgotten about it

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now as exciting as it was and yes it was

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exciting it was great that was an event

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there wasn't anything like

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exposed

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you know something like we would

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say in the future or the media would

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reference

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like you know i'm paraphrasing here but

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let's quote something right let's make

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something up like

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quote the night that 60 minutes revealed

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that ufos are

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real that our government is in

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possession of flying saucers

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end quote that is a reference in the

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future that

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i would love for 60 minutes to happen i

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don't think it's gonna happen

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because that kind of thing well we know

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now

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that that didn't happen during the

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broadcast

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so how will history treat this show

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think about it today today

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we still talk about the alien autopsy

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and that was a hoax right

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but it has stood the test of time

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like 25 years

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now almost two years later after the big

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event we're still talking about the

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wilson davis leaked

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documents right two years

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still talking about it what's going to

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happen with 60 minutes

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it's been over three years since the

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release of those three

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u.s navy videos yes still talked about

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still referenced in the media ttsa or

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tom delong not so much but

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but the way that everything is playing

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out right now

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it makes me wonder about the future and

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ultimately

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what will the uap issue turn out to be

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now think about it stay with me because

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i can say this with

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i'm sticking with ufos

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not going to happen let me explain why

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a ufo by definition

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is an unidentified flying object but

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let's let's be real for a second a ufo

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to anyone means a flying

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friggin saucer from another world that's

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it

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nothing more a uap

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by definition means unidentified aerial

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phenomena

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which to most means

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something military a drone

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something from this planet it's an

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unexplained

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unidentified aerial phenomena but it

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means something made by man

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it doesn't mean e.t

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right something the military has seen

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something the

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military is talking about the government

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is talking about

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that is a uap it's not a ufo

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somebody is trying to change the way we

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think about things

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to shift from et or etc

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right and an extraterrestrial

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civilization and turn

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everything towards a military and

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adversarial issue

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now i know that there are many out there

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who want to

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think that uap and its issues are

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actually ufos you know and

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extraterrestrial

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that that's where this is all kind of

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headed

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if you think about it i say not so fast

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slow down pull over to the side of the

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road

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remember what 60 minutes had

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as set decoration in the background

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during the intro to sunday night

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it was the letters u a

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p not

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u f o

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two different things had those letters

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on 60 minutes said ufo

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right the entire world would have viewed

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their segment with a whole

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nother frame of mind uap doesn't mean a

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thing

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to the rest of the planet ufo

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does in history

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would definitely look back on their

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broadcast with a different viewpoint

509
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it was the moment that cbs exposed ufos

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et and off-world

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issues and how our government is dealing

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with it to the world that's how history

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would have looked at 60 minutes

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they missed it they did it on purpose

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you know i honestly think

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that that's what the government wants

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that's what they want the spin

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i can't think i every time i apply my

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mind to this and ask myself

520
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why there's your answer

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uap comes from one source do you

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00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:03,840
remember

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hillary clinton hillary

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well you know it's uaps now it's not

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ufos

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anymore it's it's uaps government

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the government percept the government

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it's strange isn't it strange

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00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:27,840
didn't come from this community it

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didn't come from

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ufology ufology is not going to change

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its term

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i'm just saying i am going to stay

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with ufo ufo unidentified flying object

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yes ufo means

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e.t off world

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00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:59,120
interstellar that's what ufo means

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00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:00,799
nobody's going to say anything different

539
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:03,840
that's what it means uap

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00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:06,159
nobody even really knows the rest of the

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world

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00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:10,559
no they don't know they don't care it's

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the government

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00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:14,960
forcing uap on us

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00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:18,840
because they want it to be a military

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00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:21,760
issue that's right

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00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:23,200
and that's how history is going to treat

548
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:25,760
all of this that's it

549
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:29,039
if if uh if there was anything that

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00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:31,360
60 minutes and their producers and how

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00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,320
they did

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00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:34,880
if there's anything that they regret was

553
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:35,679
not having

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00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:39,200
ufo in the background uap

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00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:42,159
whole another situation i'm your host

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jimmy church

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i'm gonna stick i'm gonna stick to

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00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:46,720
everything that i say

559
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:49,679
i just want you to think that's my

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00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,399
that's that's

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00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,799
that's it i just want you to think i

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00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:54,480
just want you to kick back

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00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:57,360
and just apply and go well okay all

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00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:58,240
right

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00:28:01,350 --> 00:28:00,159
i need to think about this that's all i

566
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:01,360
just want you to think

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00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:05,760
i'm not going to change i'm staying ufo

568
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:07,520
this is fade to black i am your host

569
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:08,799
jimmy church tonight

570
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:13,039
right here nick redfearn it is

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00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:15,200
maryland and martians we're going to

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00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:16,880
start off with martians tonight though

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by the way

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but it is marilyn and martians tomorrow

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night right here david marlar

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we're going to be talking about the 60

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minutes i'm going to try

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what's up chris what up this is jimmy

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight nick

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redfearn is with us

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tomorrow night david marlar no show on

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thursday night thursday night has been

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cancelled

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yes it has all right tonight it's nick

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nick works full-time as an author

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lecturer journalist

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he writes about a wide range of unsolved

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mysteries including bigfoot ufos loch

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ness monster alien encounters

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government conspiracies his books

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include

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for nobody's eyes only monster files the

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world's weirdest places pyramids in the

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pentagon

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keep out the real men in black the nasa

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conspiracies contactees and memorize

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of a monster hunter he writes for ufo

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magazine a mysterious universe nick has

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appeared on numerous television shows

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including fox

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history channels ancient aliens monster

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quest and ufo hunters

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vh1's legend hunters national geographic

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channels the truth about ufos and

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paranatural

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and of course bbc's out of this world

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msnbc's countdown

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and sci-fi channels proof positive his

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links to

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nick redfern40and.blogspot.com are over

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at jimmychurchradio.com i want to

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welcome back to fade to black i'm out of

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breath

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nick redfern nick hey man hey jimmy

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how's it going nick is there any tv

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shows that you haven't been on

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that's what i should do i should just

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list those two shows and then

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i could save a bunch of time uh well i

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haven't been on cops yet

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right right

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you are you are the perfect visual

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for cops your dri shirt right

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headband handcuffed

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probably you should say that i got

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pulled over the other day for going

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through a red light

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and um but but the cop was really good

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and said i'm not gonna i'm not gonna

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uh take any uh any uh

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any events or anything like that so i

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said okay well thank you and uh he said

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just don't do it again

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oh man yeah i love those lucky breaks

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you know why um the thing is with

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with cops and this is the truth this is

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the truth i mean i haven't gotten a

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ticket in in

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decades right i respect i respect the

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law

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i do and when they approach you

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and it doesn't matter if you are

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respectful

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and they can tell right away your

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aura right they they can tell they can

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read you

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you know you look like a criminal though

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you you have to put on

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a little extra effort of the good order

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actually um i was going out somewhere

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and um

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it was like um it was sort of late

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afternoon and um

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i'd got like all my piercings and

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motorbike jackets and

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uh i was like i'm sure to get hauled off

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you know

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or something but he was like hey what's

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going on

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he said you know you jumped the lights i

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said yeah sorry sorry opposite sorry

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sorry and um he says well

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well i'm not going to take any action he

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says just don't do it again and he said

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anyway i sit down well thank you and he

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was just like

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and then he was like uh-huh and

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you know what's funny after that nick

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you stop

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at every light don't you you do

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at least at least for a day well yeah

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for the first

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like 10 days i was a bit paranoid going

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through lights and whatever

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it's you need to be thankful man that

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was the universe reaching out

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so there you go and now uh i want to

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catch you off guard a little bit

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um we're gonna get to uh martians i want

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to do martians first and then we'll get

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to maryland

817
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:53,359
but um i wanted to ask you

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about this new vernacular this new thing

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called a uap i'm i

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personally i'm not going to go for it

821
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i'm staying old school

822
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i'm i'm staying with ufo do you

823
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:11,520
feel a difference between the two

824
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is it ufo a uap is a uap a ufo

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is one extraterrestrial is one earthly

826
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you know where where i know you're gonna

827
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give it to me straight

828
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right so where where are you on this

829
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:27,680
very controversial issue

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00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,520
well i mean um basically whether it's

831
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flying source a uap

832
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ufo they're all basically the same thing

833
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but there seems to be this thing i don't

834
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know it almost sort of i won't say it

835
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:44,320
negates it but it's certainly

836
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:47,599
um it it

837
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:50,560
doesn't really have the um you know the

838
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:53,760
terminology of flying saucer or ufo and

839
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:54,480
i mean

840
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ufo as a term has been around for

841
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decades

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00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:04,640
any reason to change it to uap which is

843
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kind of

844
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bland i mean uap it sounds like some big

845
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,400
store down the road where you going i'm

846
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going to ulp to get some food or

847
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whatever you know

848
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:17,520
but that's exactly my point ufo

849
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we worked hard right we worked hard

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to get ufo uh worldwide and everybody

851
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:26,480
knows what that means that's

852
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et off world uh little green men

853
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:32,400
flying saucers not of this earth no

854
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:33,760
matter what ufo

855
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:36,880
actually stands for but that's how it

856
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:40,880
is perceived uap uap doesn't have that

857
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:42,800
same

858
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:45,440
you know little green men and martians

859
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:45,920
vibe

860
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:49,200
to it yeah i mean it's kinda like

861
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,839
you know the term alien and then you

862
00:40:54,109 --> 00:40:53,520
have all these other people who call

863
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:54,119
them

864
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:56,640
extraterrestrial biological entities

865
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:57,760
it's like

866
00:41:03,430 --> 00:40:59,839
you know don't ask don't talk like an

867
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:03,440
ash just tell it as it is you know

868
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:04,640
they're aliens they're not

869
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,160
extraterrestrial biological entities

870
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:10,640
that's it nick that's why i love you man

871
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:12,880
i we are completely on the same page

872
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:13,280
here

873
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:16,400
completely all right now let's um uh

874
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:20,240
what there's uh a few ways to look at

875
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:23,359
um your you've got two new books out

876
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:28,400
uh but the one uh uh before maryland

877
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:32,079
is uh martians and what i

878
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:35,680
really enjoyed about the book is that

879
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:38,880
you chose to um and this is interesting

880
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,720
because now we have perseverance today

881
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:42,960
right and integrity in the helicopter

882
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:45,440
but this book was before that

883
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:51,200
and you chose a historical perspective

884
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:54,720
on martians done with intentions now you

885
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:55,599
knew

886
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:57,839
that perseverance and and future stuff

887
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:00,160
is is is going to mars

888
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:03,280
but you chose to at least the first half

889
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:04,240
of the book

890
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,319
completely a historical perspective

891
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,400
well there was a good reason for that

892
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:12,480
and one of the things jimmy i've always

893
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:13,680
sort of noticed

894
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:17,200
in a book where it can affect the raider

895
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:18,720
you know and it and it affects me as

896
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:20,800
well is when you

897
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:24,079
jump around time wise you know

898
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:27,119
and and it really you kind of lose that

899
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:28,880
cohesion of the time

900
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:31,920
frame and um and it can cause

901
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,920
you know people to well what's he doing

902
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:35,280
you know he's jumping around here and

903
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:36,960
he's jumping around there

904
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,240
so with such a complicated story in the

905
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:42,000
first place with all the different

906
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:44,160
angles of the mysteries of mars

907
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:47,680
i personally i felt the best thing to do

908
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:51,200
is at least find one way to

909
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:53,440
have it like i said like like a cohesive

910
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:54,319
situation

911
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:57,359
and the the one i chose was to do it

912
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:01,280
historically from point a to point z

913
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:03,680
and then i think that gave you know the

914
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:04,640
reader

915
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:08,000
um a good way to see how not just the

916
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:09,920
story of mars went but how

917
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:12,640
our trips to mars um you know it's uh

918
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,599
presented historically in terms of um

919
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:17,760
you know the time frame as well and um

920
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:18,640
because

921
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:21,200
you know with such a complicated story

922
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:22,079
um

923
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:23,760
you've got to put it in something like

924
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:26,079
that really there was um

925
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:30,079
if if we go uh somewhat modern

926
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:33,119
if we say you know like sidonia

927
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:36,400
right if we go you know like mid 80s

928
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,000
and and and before our knowledge

929
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:42,960
of mars really still is not complete we

930
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,319
have perseverance

931
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:47,040
there now trying to figure things out

932
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:49,119
our knowledge is not complete but

933
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:52,640
right up until modern times

934
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:55,520
we looked at mars with a completely

935
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:56,079
different

936
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,880
lens didn't we i mean going back to the

937
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:00,240
1800s

938
00:44:06,829 --> 00:44:03,440
all the way up to the mid 80s early 90s

939
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:06,839
we looked at mars as the home of

940
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:09,040
martians

941
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:10,480
well yeah i mean that's one of the

942
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:13,040
reasons why i decided to

943
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:16,000
to write the book was simply because if

944
00:44:22,030 --> 00:44:18,000
you look at all the other planets

945
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:22,040
in the solar system um yes there's some

946
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:25,680
astronomical um mysteries and anomalies

947
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:27,040
and things like this

948
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:28,880
but none of them really seems to have

949
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:30,960
the lure and the capture

950
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:33,359
um that mars does you know there's so

951
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,640
many anomalies

952
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:36,640
on mars that's you know that you don't

953
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:38,880
see on like poor old little mercury

954
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:42,000
you know it's got nothing but

955
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:44,400
if you look at mars you know there are

956
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:45,839
so many mysteries

957
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:49,359
and for that reason also um

958
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:52,160
it made so the writing of the book

959
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:54,480
easier because there is so many

960
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:57,040
different things to talk about but yeah

961
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:58,319
when you're talking about

962
00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:01,359
going back to the 1800s you know there

963
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:02,160
were

964
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:04,480
there's rumors and tales that um you

965
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:05,760
know scientists

966
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:09,920
using telescopes had seen canals on mars

967
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,560
and um interestingly enough who i talk

968
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:14,400
about in the book as well

969
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:17,680
uh nicola tesla um because he

970
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:20,720
believed else or highly strongly

971
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:21,680
suspected

972
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:25,200
that he might have been um contacted by

973
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:29,280
martians um and and he also

974
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:31,920
pondered on the idea that maybe they

975
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:32,720
helped him

976
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:35,280
on his way with all his um you know sort

977
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:36,800
of radical scientific

978
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,160
experiments and technology so even that

979
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:42,480
far back and i mean you can go back even

980
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:43,760
further than that

981
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:46,800
you know when um when mars was the

982
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:49,680
was the god of war you know and we're

983
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:51,200
talking about going back not just

984
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:52,480
hundreds of years but

985
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:55,920
millennia ago so um you know

986
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:00,000
mars has played an important role um

987
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:03,440
in our civilization in our folklore our

988
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:04,319
mythology

989
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:06,880
our legends and our reality and of

990
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:08,720
course you know it's um

991
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:11,920
it's so bright um you know

992
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:15,200
it's always there so um

993
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:18,160
in many respects it is sort of like um

994
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:19,520
like a sister

995
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:22,640
um planet two hours if you like

996
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:27,599
has it um has it always been

997
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:31,040
that science supported the the message

998
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:32,400
to the public

999
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:34,800
was that there's life on mars we can see

1000
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:36,640
what's going on we can see the cities we

1001
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:37,760
can see the canals

1002
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:39,280
we're getting radio signals they're

1003
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:40,880
trying to communicate with that that was

1004
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:42,319
always coming from

1005
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:45,359
the science side so was it

1006
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:48,160
always trying to i mean it was always

1007
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:49,359
there to try to make

1008
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,400
contact with whoever was on

1009
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:54,400
on mars right that's that was the

1010
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:56,480
perception with the public

1011
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:00,560
well um it it wasn't so much in that era

1012
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:03,440
that we tried to contact martians it was

1013
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:04,079
more

1014
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:06,400
as what we could see on mars and

1015
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:08,240
although you know a lot of these stories

1016
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:10,560
about canals and things that

1017
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:12,880
turned out to be sort of superfluous and

1018
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:15,040
um you know not really

1019
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:18,000
the real thing but it looked like it um

1020
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:19,520
so it was more of a case

1021
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:23,280
of us looking at mars rather than

1022
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,839
you know sort of a like a radical

1023
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:27,520
attempt to try and

1024
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:31,359
contact martians um but and even today

1025
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:32,800
you know there's this

1026
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:36,400
reluctance on the part of nasa to say

1027
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:38,960
anything really that's god forbid you

1028
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:40,720
would say something about

1029
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:43,680
you know real aliens on mars now you

1030
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:45,040
know

1031
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:47,119
nasa has done a lot of great work you

1032
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:48,640
know scientific

1033
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:51,599
data on the surface of mars but just

1034
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,000
about

1035
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:54,240
every single anomaly that has ever been

1036
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:55,760
photographed by

1037
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:59,280
nasa um nasa has said no this is just

1038
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,480
like the equivalent

1039
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:02,880
of you know somebody seeing the face of

1040
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:04,960
you your pet dog on a cloud

1041
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,480
that kind of situation um and

1042
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,640
there does seem to be this trend of

1043
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:12,480
playing down the idea

1044
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:15,760
that there could be um intelligent life

1045
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:18,800
on mars and um i've never understood

1046
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:21,040
that really unless there's some kind of

1047
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:24,400
widespread cover-up designed to

1048
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:27,359
um you know to prevent us from finding

1049
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:27,680
out

1050
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,520
but um maybe it's a bit of both you know

1051
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:33,599
nasa just wants to play it carefully in

1052
00:48:38,430 --> 00:48:37,040
case they get it catastrophically wrong

1053
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:38,440
but maybe there could be a

1054
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:41,599
conspiratorial angle to it

1055
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:43,040
as well i mean in fact that's the

1056
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:44,800
approach i take in the book

1057
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:48,000
is to look at both perspectives

1058
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:51,280
you know is there a cover up or are the

1059
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:53,040
scientists just too

1060
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:55,599
you know careful about what they're

1061
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:56,880
seeing and and

1062
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:59,440
don't really want to say too much in the

1063
00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:01,200
you know don't want to go down the alien

1064
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:02,079
angle

1065
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:04,000
in case it all collapses on them and

1066
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:05,280
then they're going to look

1067
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:08,319
you know terrible whatever so um

1068
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:10,400
but yeah there's always been this to and

1069
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:13,359
fro between the scientific community

1070
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:17,200
and people like you for ufo researchers

1071
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:20,960
uh people like that and um and

1072
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:23,359
and and that's that clash if you like

1073
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:25,760
and it has been a clash in some cases

1074
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,960
that clash has has always been there the

1075
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:30,640
scientific angle

1076
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,599
versus people who are sort of written

1077
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:35,760
off as not really scientists because

1078
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:39,040
they're talking about controversial data

1079
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:40,960
and that's it's unfortunate you know

1080
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:43,040
that's people who've done some really

1081
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:43,680
good

1082
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,839
work but may not you know being the

1083
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:47,839
employee of space agencies

1084
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:50,240
it's a shame that they've been sort of

1085
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:51,040
you know just

1086
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:54,079
written off as just quacks or whatever

1087
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:56,240
well yeah and there's there's certainly

1088
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:57,680
issues with mercury

1089
00:50:01,349 --> 00:50:00,640
too hot venus too hot we we know very

1090
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:01,359
little about

1091
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:04,400
venus um saturn same thing

1092
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:07,599
jupiter gas giant uh

1093
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:10,880
uranus we don't know much about it's

1094
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:14,160
fairly a new discovery too as well

1095
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:15,920
we don't know much about but there's

1096
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:17,359
mars and

1097
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:20,960
we look at mars we look at uh

1098
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:24,160
the photographs that have come back and

1099
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:26,800
it looks like earth we can live there

1100
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:28,720
right that's the way we perceive it and

1101
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,280
then

1102
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:31,680
you know somebody like orson welles and

1103
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:33,599
and war of the worlds

1104
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:35,760
um uh comes out with that broadcast in

1105
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:36,720
1938

1106
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:39,599
and it was easy for us all to get sucked

1107
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:40,800
into that

1108
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:44,400
because mars is just like earth

1109
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:47,359
right it has to have life and we got

1110
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:49,280
sucked into it only because of our

1111
00:50:52,829 --> 00:50:50,240
belief system

1112
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:52,839
because it's a planet that is just like

1113
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,559
ours

1114
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,640
well yeah i mean this you're right i

1115
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:58,800
mean you cannot really see

1116
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:01,200
too much from some of the larger planets

1117
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:02,640
you know i mean so

1118
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,440
it's just i mean overwhelmed you know

1119
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:07,680
with vastly clouds and

1120
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:10,240
which makes it really difficult and who

1121
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:12,000
knows you know if we're able to get

1122
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:12,640
really

1123
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:15,920
to the surface and you know help probes

1124
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:16,480
that could

1125
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:19,839
um uh and rovers you know that should

1126
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:22,240
kind of do the experimentation and

1127
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:24,160
expeditions that they're doing

1128
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:27,040
on mars maybe we would find some even

1129
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:27,920
more

1130
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,839
weird anomalies but there's no doubts

1131
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,200
that just about

1132
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,200
everywhere you look on mars there's

1133
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:35,520
something strange now

1134
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:37,839
i guess for most people the one that

1135
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:38,880
most people know

1136
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:42,960
about or of uh would be the face on mars

1137
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:45,440
and it's called the face on mars because

1138
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:46,800
it's this huge

1139
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:50,720
um kind of like a carved out mesa

1140
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:54,400
um with a human eerily human-like

1141
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:57,920
face pointing out towards the sky

1142
00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,559
and which looks kind of like us with two

1143
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:01,760
eyes

1144
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:05,200
nose and a mouth um now

1145
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:07,520
that particular story you know sort of

1146
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:09,680
made a lot a lot of news when it

1147
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:11,359
surfaced and a lot of people

1148
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:14,319
still talk about that to this day and

1149
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:17,440
also because that area called cydonia

1150
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:20,079
they're also a number of structures that

1151
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:21,920
sort of superficially look like

1152
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:25,520
very old pommeled pyramids and

1153
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:28,640
you can make a case of the sphinx on in

1154
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:29,280
egypt

1155
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:31,920
kind of looks a little bit like the face

1156
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:33,119
on mars

1157
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:35,440
but one of the important things is and a

1158
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:37,200
lot of people don't know this there's

1159
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:38,480
actually not just

1160
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:43,040
one um what seems to be like a carved

1161
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:45,520
um face on mars there's actually another

1162
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:47,359
one and it's known as the crowned

1163
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:50,720
face now if you go on google images

1164
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:53,839
and just type in mars crowned

1165
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:57,760
face you'll see this incredible picture

1166
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:01,680
of what looks like a carved

1167
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:05,359
um head with a crown with two eyes

1168
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:08,160
with pupils with a nose with nostrils

1169
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:09,440
with a mouth

1170
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:12,720
and with a chin and it's difficult

1171
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:16,160
to deny that for what it looks like

1172
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:19,200
and as i said it's called the crown face

1173
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:21,839
and just look for the crown face mars

1174
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:24,319
and you'll see this incredible picture

1175
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:26,880
now and there's actually another one on

1176
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:28,160
mars as well

1177
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:32,319
now i could understand or accept

1178
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,240
um the you know one huge carved face on

1179
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:38,640
mars and it may just have been like i

1180
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:40,720
said you know the equivalent of

1181
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:43,200
your pet dogs you know looking looks

1182
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:45,200
like his face on the on a cloud that

1183
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:46,319
kind of thing

1184
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:49,520
but um with the crowned face and the

1185
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:50,559
face on mars

1186
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:53,680
and the third one it does make me think

1187
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,160
that

1188
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:56,640
at some point in the very very distant

1189
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:57,520
past

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00:54:01,430 --> 00:54:00,640
that whether it was martians or whether

1191
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,440
it was

1192
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:04,079
visiting extraterrestrials from another

1193
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:04,720
planet

1194
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:07,680
coming to mars and settling there or

1195
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:08,640
could it have been an

1196
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:11,920
early ancient civilization on earth that

1197
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:12,480
um

1198
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:15,440
destroyed itself and we just have

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00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,720
legends about them but

1200
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:19,040
could they have you know sort of flown

1201
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:19,760
to

1202
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:22,400
mars hundreds of thousands of years ago

1203
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:23,520
i mean who knows

1204
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:26,319
but what it comes down to on the surface

1205
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:27,200
of mars

1206
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:30,559
there are at least these three um

1207
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:33,520
what look like huge carvings of faces

1208
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:34,079
and it's

1209
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:35,680
it's hard as i said it's hard to get

1210
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:39,200
away from that um or to deny it

1211
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:42,000
as just a bunch of rocks you know the

1212
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:43,760
the crown face on mars

1213
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:49,040
is uh about as fascinating as it gets

1214
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:51,359
and and when you look at it is it

1215
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:52,400
paradolia

1216
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:54,640
you know playing out with this in the

1217
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:56,000
extreme

1218
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:59,040
or you know to your eyes i'm looking

1219
00:55:01,910 --> 00:55:00,319
everybody's posting

1220
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:01,920
pictures right now i posted up pictures

1221
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:03,599
too as well on twitter

1222
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:06,160
um it's pretty convincing probably more

1223
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:06,960
so

1224
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:10,720
than uh the face on mars in cydonia

1225
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:12,960
well the reason why i don't think it's

1226
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:14,000
paradoia

1227
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:16,880
was is simply because you know if it was

1228
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,559
just the face on mars

1229
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:20,640
that would be enough in you know to take

1230
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:22,880
some intrigue in it and investigate it

1231
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:26,079
but when you find you've got three and

1232
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:27,839
you've got these sort of pyramid type

1233
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:31,040
structures as well also in the cydonia

1234
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:34,160
area and i mean i mean another one bear

1235
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:36,079
in mind for people who may not know that

1236
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:36,880
particular

1237
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:40,319
photograph the the crown face

1238
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,160
that's not sort of a questionable

1239
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:44,160
photograph or something that

1240
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:46,480
somebody just posted on the net that is

1241
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:48,799
an official nasa photograph

1242
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:52,000
um now nasa didn't um

1243
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:54,720
hide it or censor it or anything like

1244
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:55,200
that

1245
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:57,200
they just said yeah it does look like a

1246
00:56:02,230 --> 00:55:58,480
face but we just think

1247
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:02,240
it's like again it's paranoia and um

1248
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,960
so you know it's a good it's at least

1249
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:06,559
that nasa let us see it

1250
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,000
and of course the the situation is well

1251
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:12,960
what does nasa say about it versus

1252
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:14,079
ufologists

1253
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,880
and people who look into the ancient

1254
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:18,720
aliens kind of thing

1255
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:21,920
um but for me you know

1256
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:25,520
three carved heads is is stretching it

1257
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:26,960
if you want to say it's just down to

1258
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:28,640
coincidence but um

1259
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:30,720
but there's another weird picture as

1260
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:32,960
well very weird picture

1261
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:36,720
which is actually i also um reprint this

1262
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,160
in the book as well

1263
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,319
and it's the photograph of what's become

1264
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:42,079
known as the facehugger

1265
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:45,359
um after the famous famous as the famous

1266
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:49,520
um facehugger on the aliens movies with

1267
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:49,920
uh

1268
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:53,920
the movies you know these

1269
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:56,160
creatures that scuttle across the ground

1270
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:58,799
you know with these um fast running legs

1271
00:57:01,589 --> 00:57:00,799
and this sort of tail and these spidery

1272
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:01,599
legs

1273
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:04,559
well there's a picture again came back

1274
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:05,760
from mars

1275
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:09,200
and you can see just again if you google

1276
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:12,240
um facehugger photo

1277
00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:16,160
mars you'll see what looks eerily like

1278
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:19,839
some kind of large spidery creature

1279
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:22,400
with sort of a circular body and what

1280
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:24,000
looks like about eight

1281
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:27,599
limbs um on its body crawling up the

1282
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:29,040
side of a cave

1283
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:32,079
wall and um now

1284
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:35,599
whatever it is if it's alive or it's not

1285
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:38,720
it's difficult to explain what it is you

1286
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:40,240
know it doesn't look like

1287
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:43,040
it that it fits in with the the rock

1288
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:44,000
itself

1289
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:46,960
it looks it really does look like um

1290
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:47,680
something's

1291
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:49,359
climbing up it's and if you look at the

1292
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:50,720
top part of it

1293
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:52,640
it looks like you could almost make out

1294
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:55,680
like sort of two glowing eyes at the top

1295
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:57,599
you know imagine sort of like an eight

1296
00:58:01,990 --> 00:57:58,960
foot um

1297
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:02,000
wide spider crawling up the wall

1298
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:04,720
which would be pretty uh daunting you

1299
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:05,440
know

1300
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:07,920
but that is what it looks like like i

1301
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:10,160
said it's hard to say for sure

1302
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:13,599
but um you know if nasa said nasa says

1303
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:15,760
well no it's not a a creature that's

1304
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:17,520
alive it's not a giant spider

1305
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,599
well then the question and the answer is

1306
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:21,440
well well what is it

1307
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:24,240
and that's when we get the situation

1308
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:25,359
where

1309
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:26,960
they just don't want to deal with it

1310
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:29,119
really yeah the first time i saw this

1311
00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:32,160
image of of the facehugger i'm like well

1312
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:36,880
uh that is what it is

1313
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:40,319
i mean there's really and and and nick

1314
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:41,920
uh i've got about a minute before the

1315
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:42,640
break

1316
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:45,200
one of the things that i enjoy about all

1317
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:45,680
of these

1318
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:48,799
high def images coming back from mars

1319
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:52,480
is i look at them and i just see

1320
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:56,400
stuff right i just see stuff

1321
00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:59,200
everywhere it doesn't look alien or

1322
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:02,160
unvisited or uncivilized

1323
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:04,880
it looks like stuff to me and i can find

1324
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:05,359
stuff

1325
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:08,799
in almost every image well you're right

1326
00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:10,480
in some of it it looks like

1327
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:13,280
human stuff you know the the i mean i

1328
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:14,960
always tell people the important thing

1329
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:16,880
about the carved faces

1330
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:18,880
is that they look human they don't look

1331
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:20,160
like you know the

1332
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:22,799
alien on the front of communion those

1333
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:24,480
those pictures they look like

1334
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:27,760
us it is there there isn't another way

1335
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:29,200
for me to look at it than that

1336
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:31,040
let's take our break right here this is

1337
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:32,480
fade to black i'm yours to be church i

1338
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:33,440
guess tonight

1339
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:36,000
nick redfern now up first tonight we're

1340
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:37,760
talking

1341
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:40,079
martians right we're gonna get to

1342
00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:41,599
maryland in a little bit

1343
00:59:46,910 --> 00:59:44,079
but uh nick's book martians evidence of

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00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:46,920
life on the red planet links are over at

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jimmychurchradio.com

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01:00:13,589 --> 00:59:49,760
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01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:09,839
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01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:13,200
nick redfern is here his two latest

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01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:13,680
books

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01:05:18,549 --> 01:05:16,160
a diary of secrets ufo conspiracies and

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01:05:20,710 --> 01:05:18,559
the mysterious death of marilyn monroe

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01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:20,720
just released we'll talk about that at

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01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:22,000
the bottom of the hour

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01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:23,680
and right now we're talking about his

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01:05:27,430 --> 01:05:25,440
book right before maryland

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01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:27,440
martians evidence of life on the red

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01:05:31,029 --> 01:05:28,799
planet and

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01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:31,039
nick i wanted to ask you um a couple of

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01:05:35,029 --> 01:05:32,720
things and and these images

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01:05:36,230 --> 01:05:35,039
are interesting but there's a couple of

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01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:36,240
other things

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01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:38,319
for me that play out here in the modern

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01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:39,599
sense one

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01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:41,920
you know buzz aldrin and his t-shirts

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01:05:47,589 --> 01:05:44,240
right we got to get back to mars

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01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:47,599
and um and phobos and

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01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:51,200
that monolith on phobos certainly

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01:05:58,150 --> 01:05:54,640
indicates something put that there

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01:06:01,190 --> 01:05:58,160
that's not a natural formation is it

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01:06:03,510 --> 01:06:01,200
no i mean if you look at that syllabus

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01:06:05,029 --> 01:06:03,520
monolith i mean they don't call it a

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01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:05,039
monolith for no reason

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01:06:08,069 --> 01:06:07,359
you know because that's what it looks

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01:06:09,829 --> 01:06:08,079
like

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01:06:12,069 --> 01:06:09,839
you know and there's another one as well

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01:06:14,549 --> 01:06:12,079
actually on on mars too

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01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:14,559
um and something like that it's

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01:06:19,109 --> 01:06:15,599
incredibly

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01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:19,119
difficult for nature to create something

1490
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:20,640
like that when there's absolutely

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01:06:25,990 --> 01:06:22,319
nothing else around it

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01:06:28,309 --> 01:06:26,000
that's you know would be the same

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01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:28,319
so again you know something like a

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01:06:32,230 --> 01:06:29,760
monolith

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01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:32,240
which also kind of plays in you know

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01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:34,079
with the 2001

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01:06:41,109 --> 01:06:38,079
space odyssey uh movie of 1968

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01:06:42,470 --> 01:06:41,119
um stanley kubrick i mean one of the

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01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:42,480
opening sections

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01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:45,680
has um a monolith appearing

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01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:49,440
and it helps the the primitive um

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01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:52,160
people of that era millions of years ago

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01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:52,640
to

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01:06:59,670 --> 01:06:56,960
um sort of um expand their intelligence

1505
01:07:01,750 --> 01:06:59,680
so um you know you have to wonder you

1506
01:07:03,190 --> 01:07:01,760
know is there a bigger story there you

1507
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:03,200
know is it just

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01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:06,720
a coincidence that um you know we have

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01:07:13,510 --> 01:07:10,079
a monolith in 2001 a space odyssey

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01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:13,520
and we've got the the martian um ones as

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01:07:17,430 --> 01:07:14,640
well

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01:07:18,150 --> 01:07:17,440
and um sometimes i wonder you know

1513
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:18,160
there's a

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01:07:22,870 --> 01:07:20,880
big sort of bag of martian secrets that

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01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:22,880
we're not seeing the whole picture

1516
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:25,920
and maybe you know contained within

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01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:27,200
those bags are

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01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:29,920
the answers to why we have these

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01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:30,799
monoliths

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01:07:34,950 --> 01:07:33,599
and um but yeah that the important thing

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01:07:37,589 --> 01:07:34,960
about them

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01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:37,599
is the fact that it's it's very

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01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:39,680
difficult for nature to

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01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:41,680
create something like that when it's

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01:07:45,430 --> 01:07:42,960
surrounding

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01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:45,440
uh surrounded by you know multiple other

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01:07:48,630 --> 01:07:46,319
rocks

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01:07:49,349 --> 01:07:48,640
and none of them have you know that kind

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01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:49,359
of

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01:07:54,789 --> 01:07:52,400
dimensions you know now i want you to uh

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01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:54,799
i want to talk about perseverance but

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01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:56,720
before we go there

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01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:00,319
i want your the nick redfern theory

1534
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:03,440
on this do you um uh

1535
01:08:07,109 --> 01:08:05,680
do you believe that there's a

1536
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:07,119
possibility

1537
01:08:13,829 --> 01:08:10,400
that we are martians right that

1538
01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:13,839
maybe that planet started to die and

1539
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:15,680
they're looking up into the night sky at

1540
01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:17,199
this blue right

1541
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:19,279
we see a red planet they're going to see

1542
01:08:22,630 --> 01:08:20,560
a blue planet

1543
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:22,640
they're going to see earth and that they

1544
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:24,080
came here because

1545
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:30,789
well i think it's something along those

1546
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:32,000
lines now

1547
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:34,480
you know one when people talk about you

1548
01:08:39,269 --> 01:08:37,199
know if there was a martian civilization

1549
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:39,279
you know a lot of people think you know

1550
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:41,520
we could go to mars now

1551
01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:44,880
and see you know the equivalent of um

1552
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:47,920
i don't know a ladder and a and a phone

1553
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:48,560
and

1554
01:08:52,229 --> 01:08:51,040
a watch or whatever you know but i don't

1555
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:52,239
think it's like that

1556
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:54,719
what i do think is that there was some

1557
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:56,560
kind of civilization

1558
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:58,799
on mars but i think we are literally

1559
01:09:01,990 --> 01:09:00,000
talking about

1560
01:09:03,669 --> 01:09:02,000
hundreds and hundreds of thousands of

1561
01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:03,679
years ago probably

1562
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:07,359
um when something went tragically and

1563
01:09:12,229 --> 01:09:09,199
drastically wrong

1564
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:12,239
now whether it was a case

1565
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:15,440
that there were indigenous martians on

1566
01:09:20,269 --> 01:09:16,480
mars

1567
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:20,279
or there was like a space faring

1568
01:09:24,309 --> 01:09:21,600
civilization

1569
01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:24,319
that came to mars which may have been an

1570
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:25,279
empty world

1571
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:28,640
and they civilized that or

1572
01:09:32,229 --> 01:09:30,960
the intriguing one that mack talked the

1573
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:32,239
late mctonis

1574
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:34,640
came up with he said well what if there

1575
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:37,279
was a civilization a human civilization

1576
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:38,239
on earth

1577
01:09:43,349 --> 01:09:41,120
long before our civilization and they

1578
01:09:45,669 --> 01:09:43,359
may have been sort of been the cause

1579
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:45,679
for the legends of like atlantis and

1580
01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:46,880
things like that

1581
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:50,239
and mac speculated on the idea well what

1582
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:51,279
if it was us

1583
01:09:56,149 --> 01:09:54,000
an early civilization on the earth and

1584
01:09:56,790 --> 01:09:56,159
they went to mars and we don't realize

1585
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:56,800
that

1586
01:10:01,350 --> 01:09:58,560
humans have actually already been there

1587
01:10:05,110 --> 01:10:01,360
but hundreds of thousands of years ago

1588
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:05,120
um so i don't really i'm not entirely

1589
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:05,920
sure

1590
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:07,920
you know that's i've got enough data to

1591
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:09,120
say it's a b

1592
01:10:16,229 --> 01:10:13,199
or c but i do think there was some kind

1593
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:16,239
of ancient civilization on the surface

1594
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:18,080
of mars i think there's enough

1595
01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:21,760
data enough anomalies um

1596
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:24,480
and clearly now you know a lot of it is

1597
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:25,040
just

1598
01:10:28,870 --> 01:10:26,960
a pulverized you know which you would

1599
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:28,880
expect if there had been some sort of

1600
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:31,600
kind of a worldwide disaster

1601
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:33,520
whether their equivalence of like a

1602
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:34,960
nuclear war

1603
01:10:40,149 --> 01:10:38,400
or you know a gigantic meteor strike

1604
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:40,159
that just destroyed the planets and the

1605
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:41,280
atmosphere

1606
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:44,640
but but yeah i do think um there was at

1607
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:48,239
one point um a thriving

1608
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:51,360
civilization on mars and um and it's our

1609
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:52,320
job hopefully

1610
01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:55,199
to to try and figure out what the answer

1611
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:56,560
to it is

1612
01:11:03,430 --> 01:10:59,840
the uh uh i've

1613
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:03,440
often said and now you've included

1614
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:06,400
quite a bit of uh conversation with mac

1615
01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:06,960
tony's

1616
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:09,920
in in the book and i have said uh many

1617
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:10,320
times

1618
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:13,440
he is one of the was one of the most

1619
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:15,280
intelligent feet on the ground

1620
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:18,320
researchers very coherent a very

1621
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:21,600
clear way of writing and speaking and

1622
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:23,600
and theorizing about things

1623
01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:25,520
there are two people that i never got to

1624
01:11:31,189 --> 01:11:28,159
interview man and that's lloyd pie

1625
01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:31,199
and mac i i i

1626
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:33,679
i just wish i could sit down with mac

1627
01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:35,280
and uh

1628
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:37,840
and have have have talked with him his

1629
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:39,040
part of the book

1630
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:42,560
is is just amazing well done

1631
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:44,400
oh thanks yeah i mean i was glad i was

1632
01:11:47,430 --> 01:11:45,600
able to do that

1633
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:47,440
you know because um you know sort of

1634
01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:50,000
keep his flag flying that kind of thing

1635
01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:52,239
but his book um after the martian

1636
01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:53,440
apocalypse

1637
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:56,480
um all kind of amplifies

1638
01:12:00,709 --> 01:11:58,960
you know that angle as well of an

1639
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:00,719
ancient civilization

1640
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:03,520
and trying to figure out what on earth

1641
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:04,560
happened to them

1642
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:06,880
you know why did they die off why did

1643
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:09,520
mars sort of go the way that it went why

1644
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:12,480
is it that there's only remnants left

1645
01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:13,520
you know

1646
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:15,920
clearly there was something and i mean

1647
01:12:20,470 --> 01:12:17,360
it's possible that

1648
01:12:22,070 --> 01:12:20,480
you know half a million years from now

1649
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:22,080
there could have been a big disaster on

1650
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:24,719
earth and there could be a civilization

1651
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:27,520
of humans on the earth 500 million years

1652
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:28,480
from now

1653
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:30,480
and they'll be saying now there's nobody

1654
01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:31,679
before us you know

1655
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:34,960
we're the first ones and um i kind of

1656
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:36,080
wonder if it could be that

1657
01:12:43,110 --> 01:12:39,600
sort of situation now

1658
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:43,120
nasa uh once again we have perseverance

1659
01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:43,920
and of course

1660
01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:46,880
uh ingenuity the helicopter would it

1661
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:48,480
surprise you

1662
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:51,360
if nasa finds something this time around

1663
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:53,360
and does make an announcement about

1664
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:55,440
something

1665
01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:57,520
well you know the way i look at it like

1666
01:13:01,590 --> 01:12:58,960
this um

1667
01:13:02,950 --> 01:13:01,600
we haven't really ever had any kind of

1668
01:13:05,270 --> 01:13:02,960
definitive thing and

1669
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:05,280
nasa's always said well no it's you know

1670
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:07,280
it just looks like that or it just looks

1671
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:08,159
like this

1672
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:11,440
but we're now that we're sort of seeing

1673
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:13,760
you know all this military footage and

1674
01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:15,520
intelligence agencies

1675
01:13:19,590 --> 01:13:18,719
uh talking about this and now we've got

1676
01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:19,600
the

1677
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:25,600
taking all this subject very very

1678
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:26,480
seriously

1679
01:13:31,750 --> 01:13:30,000
i kind of wonder if you know by adding

1680
01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:31,760
to the next step of the story which

1681
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:34,000
could be like a disclosure kind of thing

1682
01:13:37,510 --> 01:13:36,960
i do wonder if we might get sort of a

1683
01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:37,520
sudden

1684
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:40,880
revelation coming out of mars you know

1685
01:13:45,189 --> 01:13:42,400
and something that really

1686
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:45,199
does look not look like it could just be

1687
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:46,320
you know

1688
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:50,640
i've got i should stress i haven't got

1689
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:52,880
any sort of insider information along

1690
01:13:56,950 --> 01:13:54,000
those lines

1691
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:56,960
but it wouldn't surprise me because it

1692
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:57,600
looks like

1693
01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:59,600
we're getting fed a little bit more a

1694
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:01,440
little bit more and i wouldn't be

1695
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:04,719
surprised if mars was not the next thing

1696
01:14:11,189 --> 01:14:08,400
to have us all sort of um with our

1697
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:11,199
mouths wide open staring at the the tv

1698
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:12,080
you know

1699
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:15,600
well if they make an announcement

1700
01:14:21,669 --> 01:14:18,880
about microbial life or you know

1701
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:21,679
something found in the soil or the

1702
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:23,040
evidence of

1703
01:14:30,310 --> 01:14:26,960
small fossils okay i get that

1704
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:30,320
the possibility of that is is very

1705
01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:32,560
very real mars is not that different

1706
01:14:36,070 --> 01:14:33,360
from earth

1707
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:36,080
and certainly at one point it was nearly

1708
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:36,800
identical

1709
01:14:41,669 --> 01:14:39,520
uh to this planet so there's got to be

1710
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:41,679
something there that they can find

1711
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:44,480
but and they would disclose that i get

1712
01:14:47,110 --> 01:14:45,120
that

1713
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:47,120
but what nick what if they're you know

1714
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:49,120
they're digging around

1715
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:52,159
and they pull up a coke can right

1716
01:14:57,110 --> 01:14:55,760
or or you know something that is not

1717
01:15:00,790 --> 01:14:57,120
microbial

1718
01:15:02,550 --> 01:15:00,800
but something else would they disclose

1719
01:15:05,189 --> 01:15:02,560
that

1720
01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:05,199
well i mean it's difficult to say

1721
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:06,159
because mars

1722
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:09,679
excuse me nasa has revealed

1723
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:12,320
some quite um you know sort of

1724
01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:14,640
intriguing pictures they haven't held it

1725
01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:16,000
away you know like

1726
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:19,280
so many people have claimed um mars um

1727
01:15:23,189 --> 01:15:21,120
you know the mars pictures have been

1728
01:15:25,990 --> 01:15:23,199
released by nasa nasa just

1729
01:15:27,350 --> 01:15:26,000
denies that what we think they are

1730
01:15:30,390 --> 01:15:27,360
actually aren't

1731
01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:30,400
but i do think you know that there is

1732
01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:32,640
there are high chances of finding things

1733
01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:34,640
and there's reason why i say that

1734
01:15:38,229 --> 01:15:36,960
is because you know we talked about the

1735
01:15:40,950 --> 01:15:38,239
the face hugger

1736
01:15:42,149 --> 01:15:40,960
now if that's real that's some kind of

1737
01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:42,159
animal

1738
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:44,800
now if we we've got if the carved face

1739
01:15:49,430 --> 01:15:46,239
the crown face

1740
01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:49,440
um is real then that shows um an

1741
01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:50,960
intelligence

1742
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:54,080
and we know that mars has a massive

1743
01:15:58,229 --> 01:15:55,440
amount of water

1744
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:58,239
whether it's in water or in ice or in

1745
01:16:01,669 --> 01:15:58,960
vapor

1746
01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:01,679
but it's incredible amount of water and

1747
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:02,800
on top of that

1748
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:05,440
there are also the photographs of what

1749
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:07,520
are known as the banyan trees

1750
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:12,239
again if you google images b-a-n-y-a-n

1751
01:16:16,709 --> 01:16:15,440
martian uh banyan trees you'll see what

1752
01:16:19,110 --> 01:16:16,719
looked like these

1753
01:16:20,310 --> 01:16:19,120
um trees on the surface of mars and

1754
01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:20,320
again um

1755
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:22,480
nasa says well yeah they look like trees

1756
01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:24,880
but they're just ice particles

1757
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:26,480
but if you look at those pictures the

1758
01:16:31,270 --> 01:16:28,239
banyan trees um

1759
01:16:32,870 --> 01:16:31,280
on mars it looks like the pictures look

1760
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:32,880
like somebody's flying over

1761
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:36,320
arizona and took a few pictures

1762
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:38,159
of a few trees that's what it kind of

1763
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:40,320
looks like but slightly different to our

1764
01:16:43,750 --> 01:16:41,520
trees which you would

1765
01:16:45,910 --> 01:16:43,760
expect if they're from another planet

1766
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:45,920
but it but the reason i mention that

1767
01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:48,080
is because you've got water you've got

1768
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:49,440
animal life

1769
01:16:53,110 --> 01:16:52,080
um you've got trees you put all that

1770
01:16:56,550 --> 01:16:53,120
together

1771
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:56,560
then i can easily see and how

1772
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:59,120
easily it would be for nasa to say hey

1773
01:17:02,630 --> 01:17:00,320
we found something

1774
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:02,640
because there is so much to find and

1775
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:04,880
maybe this will be the time when

1776
01:17:10,390 --> 01:17:08,000
you know like with the ufo revelations

1777
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:10,400
and the last couple of years maybe we'll

1778
01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:11,120
see

1779
01:17:18,550 --> 01:17:15,280
a bunch of um mars revelations as well

1780
01:17:22,870 --> 01:17:18,560
now what about elon right if

1781
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:22,880
are we taking nasa out of the play

1782
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:26,560
and now inserting a civilian

1783
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:30,000
right a public company um that

1784
01:17:37,030 --> 01:17:33,600
is now going to go to mars

1785
01:17:40,390 --> 01:17:37,040
is there going to be the possibility of

1786
01:17:42,390 --> 01:17:40,400
a more freer conversation

1787
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:42,400
about what is there i mean if if

1788
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:44,640
somebody from spacex you know stumbles

1789
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:46,880
upon a can of coke or whatever

1790
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:49,040
you know on the martian surface does

1791
01:17:54,149 --> 01:17:51,280
that get back to us

1792
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:54,159
you know without government interference

1793
01:17:57,990 --> 01:17:54,800
well yeah

1794
01:18:01,590 --> 01:17:58,000
the answer to that is yes the the

1795
01:18:04,830 --> 01:18:01,600
way i look at it no i don't think um

1796
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:04,840
nasa is going to be eclipsed by um

1797
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:07,440
corporations and companies you know

1798
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:09,120
they're doing it on their own

1799
01:18:15,430 --> 01:18:12,239
um but i think the important thing

1800
01:18:19,430 --> 01:18:15,440
in all of this is that if there has been

1801
01:18:21,350 --> 01:18:19,440
photographs held back and

1802
01:18:22,630 --> 01:18:21,360
we've never seen them because they're

1803
01:18:25,830 --> 01:18:22,640
basically held by

1804
01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:25,840
a government agency the likelihood is we

1805
01:18:30,790 --> 01:18:27,520
won't see them until

1806
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:30,800
they decide to reveal the material or

1807
01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:34,480
they may not decide to at all

1808
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:36,960
but on the other hand if you've got

1809
01:18:41,510 --> 01:18:38,000
multiple

1810
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:41,520
private corporations not just going into

1811
01:18:45,110 --> 01:18:44,239
say the earth's atmosphere but actually

1812
01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:45,120
making it

1813
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:47,600
to mars and spending you know with

1814
01:18:50,790 --> 01:18:48,400
rovers

1815
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:50,800
and office artificial intelligence

1816
01:18:54,709 --> 01:18:52,080
robotics

1817
01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:54,719
you know that could potentially stay on

1818
01:18:57,430 --> 01:18:56,800
mars and work you know for years and

1819
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:57,440
years

1820
01:19:03,270 --> 01:19:01,120
re highly sophisticated and

1821
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:03,280
this is all being done by private

1822
01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:04,800
enterprises

1823
01:19:12,310 --> 01:19:09,280
which cannot be sort of um you know

1824
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:12,320
sort of disrupted by anybody who wants

1825
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:13,520
to hide the truth

1826
01:19:17,430 --> 01:19:15,120
they won't be able to do that i don't

1827
01:19:20,229 --> 01:19:17,440
think i think the more and more

1828
01:19:21,189 --> 01:19:20,239
private corporations get into the world

1829
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:21,199
of mars

1830
01:19:27,910 --> 01:19:24,719
the more likelihood is that um

1831
01:19:28,709 --> 01:19:27,920
that we're gonna find things now we had

1832
01:19:36,149 --> 01:19:28,719
uh

1833
01:19:37,830 --> 01:19:36,159
you know about six months ago i feel a

1834
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:37,840
sneeze coming on so if i

1835
01:19:42,790 --> 01:19:40,480
mute the microphone uh everybody will

1836
01:19:45,350 --> 01:19:42,800
know uh what's going on but anyway

1837
01:19:47,669 --> 01:19:45,360
where he said that uh the united states

1838
01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:47,679
and and other countries here on earth

1839
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:48,880
including uh

1840
01:19:56,149 --> 01:19:53,040
i believe israel have a secret

1841
01:19:59,189 --> 01:19:56,159
base on mars now

1842
01:20:02,630 --> 01:19:59,199
is there a possibility of

1843
01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:02,640
a a parallel uh you know space program

1844
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:05,120
that is going on behind

1845
01:20:08,229 --> 01:20:07,199
uh the actual the one that the public

1846
01:20:10,950 --> 01:20:08,239
knows about

1847
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:10,960
and we have been going to mars and we do

1848
01:20:14,390 --> 01:20:11,280
have

1849
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:14,400
uh an established base there

1850
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:18,480
and is there a danger of elon musk sing

1851
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:21,360
well you know what what if he's right

1852
01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:21,840
and

1853
01:20:29,350 --> 01:20:26,000
right there's a russian

1854
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:29,360
uh astronaut or or somebody from the

1855
01:20:34,709 --> 01:20:30,560
united states

1856
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:34,719
you know driving around on a mars rover

1857
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:36,480
well yeah i mean that would be an

1858
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:38,400
incredible um

1859
01:20:42,550 --> 01:20:41,520
discovery revelation i mean um you know

1860
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:42,560
a lot of people

1861
01:20:46,470 --> 01:20:45,440
uh buy into that idea you know like a

1862
01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:46,480
secret space

1863
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:50,159
program and um you know the

1864
01:20:53,350 --> 01:20:52,080
i mean it's a fascinating scenario the

1865
01:20:56,470 --> 01:20:53,360
idea that

1866
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:56,480
there is a secret space program and

1867
01:21:02,149 --> 01:21:00,159
astronauts um obviously using some kind

1868
01:21:03,030 --> 01:21:02,159
of technology far in advance from the

1869
01:21:06,149 --> 01:21:03,040
apollo

1870
01:21:06,550 --> 01:21:06,159
rockets that went to the moon um you

1871
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:06,560
know

1872
01:21:13,189 --> 01:21:09,840
the the idea that there could be um

1873
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:13,199
structures and you know an entire

1874
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:16,320
scientific civilization already on

1875
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:19,360
on mars trying to make sure or trying to

1876
01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:21,360
figure out what's on mars

1877
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:24,159
um or what we should show you know to

1878
01:21:29,189 --> 01:21:26,159
the public that kind of thing

1879
01:21:31,270 --> 01:21:29,199
um but there's although there's no proof

1880
01:21:32,629 --> 01:21:31,280
of it there's one particular reason why

1881
01:21:34,550 --> 01:21:32,639
i think there could be

1882
01:21:35,669 --> 01:21:34,560
a secret space program i'll tell you

1883
01:21:39,189 --> 01:21:35,679
what it is

1884
01:21:41,750 --> 01:21:39,199
if you look at the the developments in

1885
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:41,760
science and technology and medicine

1886
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:44,880
going back from sort of the 1940s 1950s

1887
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:46,320
to the present day

1888
01:21:50,470 --> 01:21:48,400
you know we've gone through you know

1889
01:21:53,669 --> 01:21:50,480
sort of incredible bounds

1890
01:21:57,030 --> 01:21:53,679
um like in in medical terms you know

1891
01:22:00,149 --> 01:21:57,040
like um tran plants

1892
01:22:02,070 --> 01:22:00,159
uh things like that um in

1893
01:22:04,229 --> 01:22:02,080
you know you've got computers which are

1894
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:04,239
sort of like the size of a matchbox

1895
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:08,880
um you know um smartphones iphones

1896
01:22:12,790 --> 01:22:12,080
um you name it you know science has

1897
01:22:16,229 --> 01:22:12,800
jumped

1898
01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:16,239
leaps and bounds in incredible ways

1899
01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:19,280
but if you look how we get into space

1900
01:22:26,229 --> 01:22:22,320
it's still using chemical rockets

1901
01:22:28,629 --> 01:22:26,239
and you know the whole rocketry angle

1902
01:22:30,629 --> 01:22:28,639
is really the only one that publicly at

1903
01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:30,639
least hasn't changed you know

1904
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:33,840
we we are still using um chemical

1905
01:22:36,629 --> 01:22:34,480
rockets

1906
01:22:38,229 --> 01:22:36,639
of pretty much the same kind that took

1907
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:38,239
us to the moon

1908
01:22:42,229 --> 01:22:41,120
and took you know like yuri gagarin up

1909
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:42,239
into space

1910
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:45,360
and they were all chemical based and

1911
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:48,800
even today they are and so why is it

1912
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:51,280
that we've got all these advances in all

1913
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:53,120
these other technologies

1914
01:22:59,669 --> 01:22:56,560
but the rockets um

1915
01:23:01,430 --> 01:22:59,679
the the subject if you like actually

1916
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:01,440
hasn't changed much at all

1917
01:23:05,350 --> 01:23:03,360
unless and this is the important thing

1918
01:23:07,510 --> 01:23:05,360
unless the

1919
01:23:08,790 --> 01:23:07,520
you know we're told that there is no

1920
01:23:11,830 --> 01:23:08,800
sort of um

1921
01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:11,840
highly advanced um chemical rocket you

1922
01:23:14,870 --> 01:23:13,040
know beyond

1923
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:14,880
um anything that what we've got right

1924
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:16,320
now so i think

1925
01:23:20,229 --> 01:23:19,120
there could be a seek not just a secret

1926
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:20,239
space program

1927
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:23,760
hidden but also a secret technology

1928
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:27,120
um because you know if we were just

1929
01:23:30,390 --> 01:23:28,080
using

1930
01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:30,400
um chemical rockets there's no way we

1931
01:23:34,149 --> 01:23:31,600
could do it there's no way

1932
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:34,159
as humans we couldn't do you know like a

1933
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:35,120
three year

1934
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:38,080
uh round trip from the earth to mars and

1935
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:39,120
back again

1936
01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:40,960
it just it's just not possible it's not

1937
01:23:44,709 --> 01:23:42,800
feasible um

1938
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:44,719
so that there has to be if if there is a

1939
01:23:49,830 --> 01:23:46,400
secret space program

1940
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:49,840
it has to be something that

1941
01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:53,040
has created a technology far beyond

1942
01:23:57,350 --> 01:23:55,840
and i also think that if there is a

1943
01:24:00,790 --> 01:23:57,360
secret space program

1944
01:24:01,990 --> 01:24:00,800
i actually think nasa probably doesn't

1945
01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:02,000
know about it i

1946
01:24:06,790 --> 01:24:05,600
genuinely think that nasa is not part of

1947
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:06,800
the cover-up

1948
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:08,960
of a secret space program i think they

1949
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:10,800
are actually out the loop

1950
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:12,480
now people might think it would be

1951
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:14,719
incredible that nasa could be left out

1952
01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:16,960
of the loop but

1953
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:19,280
um you know i think it's possible if

1954
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:21,360
that nasa but briefed on it all

1955
01:24:25,430 --> 01:24:23,760
there could be so many scientists who

1956
01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:25,440
just couldn't keep their mouth shut

1957
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:28,960
and so they don't tell them that's very

1958
01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:31,679
interesting nick and you said to me now

1959
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:32,000
with

1960
01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:35,520
everything you said to me once um

1961
01:24:38,629 --> 01:24:37,920
years ago i mean with everything that is

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01:24:41,830 --> 01:24:38,639
going on

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01:24:43,270 --> 01:24:41,840
today with ufos and uaps and video and

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01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:43,280
the government and the navy and the

1965
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:44,880
pentagon and everything that's happening

1966
01:24:48,310 --> 01:24:45,760
today

1967
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:48,320
you said something to me once that i

1968
01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:50,239
have never forgotten

1969
01:24:55,830 --> 01:24:53,920
you said jimmy maybe

1970
01:24:57,830 --> 01:24:55,840
i think this was at a conference or

1971
01:24:59,830 --> 01:24:57,840
maybe you and i were talking privately

1972
01:25:03,350 --> 01:24:59,840
but you said

1973
01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:03,360
maybe they're not interstellar

1974
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:07,199
maybe they're inside of our solar system

1975
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:08,880
maybe they're coming from the back side

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01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:10,320
of the moon maybe they're coming from

1977
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:12,000
another planet maybe they already have

1978
01:25:15,510 --> 01:25:14,800
bases established here and they're not

1979
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:15,520
traveling

1980
01:25:23,189 --> 01:25:19,520
great distances they're already here

1981
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:23,199
do you still uh prescribe uh

1982
01:25:27,189 --> 01:25:26,880
that theory well yeah i do i'll tell you

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01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:27,199
for

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01:25:32,149 --> 01:25:30,159
uh why the primary reason is because you

1985
01:25:34,310 --> 01:25:32,159
know the incredible distances

1986
01:25:36,390 --> 01:25:34,320
you know the light years that um that it

1987
01:25:39,030 --> 01:25:36,400
takes you know to get from one

1988
01:25:40,790 --> 01:25:39,040
area to another i mean it's it's almost

1989
01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:40,800
impossible to

1990
01:25:44,229 --> 01:25:42,719
to sort of you know figure it in your

1991
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:44,239
mind the sheer

1992
01:25:48,870 --> 01:25:47,360
distance and uh you know and there's not

1993
01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:48,880
much we can do about that

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01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:51,760
when you sort of ten light years away i

1995
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:53,360
mean there's just no way you can get

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01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:54,000
there

1997
01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:57,600
now this we get so many ufo reports that

1998
01:26:02,390 --> 01:25:59,760
he does sometimes make me think

1999
01:26:03,910 --> 01:26:02,400
well maybe that's because they like as

2000
01:26:06,229 --> 01:26:03,920
you said they really are

2001
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:06,239
already here and maybe you know they're

2002
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:08,080
actually stationed here may have been

2003
01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:10,159
stationed here for a long long time for

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01:26:15,189 --> 01:26:11,360
example

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01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:15,199
um in the 1970s ingo swan

2006
01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:18,400
um was asked by a sort of a mysterious

2007
01:26:22,229 --> 01:26:20,960
agency within the us government to

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01:26:25,510 --> 01:26:22,239
remote view

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01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:25,520
the surface of the moon and um they came

2010
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:26,320
away

2011
01:26:30,229 --> 01:26:28,560
talking about it was kind of shocked the

2012
01:26:31,510 --> 01:26:30,239
remote views they were shocked to sort

2013
01:26:34,229 --> 01:26:31,520
of to their core

2014
01:26:36,629 --> 01:26:34,239
uh when they'd seen these sort of large

2015
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:36,639
humanoid figures kind of

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01:26:41,110 --> 01:26:39,120
really like us but much much taller like

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01:26:44,229 --> 01:26:41,120
12 13 feet tall

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01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:44,239
and living deep under the surface of the

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01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:45,120
moon

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01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:48,480
and has been the cia

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01:26:55,750 --> 01:26:52,480
in 1984 they did a secret remote viewing

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01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:55,760
of uh the planet mars and um

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01:26:59,590 --> 01:26:58,480
we don't know why the cia was asked to

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01:27:02,790 --> 01:26:59,600
do it but they were

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01:27:05,110 --> 01:27:02,800
asked and you can now read that

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01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:05,120
the transcript because the cia has now

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01:27:09,189 --> 01:27:06,400
declassified it

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01:27:10,470 --> 01:27:09,199
and it talks about um how the remote

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01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:10,480
viewers could see

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01:27:14,470 --> 01:27:12,960
also these giant humanoids on the

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01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:14,480
surface of mars

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01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:16,800
and there was all this fire coming down

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01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:18,719
from the sky and it was like

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01:27:24,310 --> 01:27:21,840
armageddon but on on mars and

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01:27:25,270 --> 01:27:24,320
um so you know it's one of these

2036
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:25,280
situations

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01:27:29,430 --> 01:27:27,840
where i think they could have been here

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01:27:32,470 --> 01:27:29,440
for a long long time

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01:27:35,110 --> 01:27:32,480
and could still be and um

2040
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:35,120
and on the issue of uh remote viewing a

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01:27:38,470 --> 01:27:36,880
good friend of mine kimberly rackley

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01:27:41,590 --> 01:27:38,480
she's done a lot of skilled

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01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:41,600
uh remote viewing work on mars as well

2044
01:27:45,270 --> 01:27:44,159
and come up with very similar images of

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01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:45,280
you know these tall

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01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:47,840
martians and um and some kind of

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01:27:52,550 --> 01:27:49,280
catastrophe

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01:27:54,629 --> 01:27:52,560
on the surface of mars so if there was a

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01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:54,639
civilization on mars

2050
01:28:01,669 --> 01:27:58,800
and um and something happened to mars

2051
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:01,679
it's not in you know impossible that

2052
01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:03,600
some of them could could have made it to

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01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:04,320
mars

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01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:07,679
maybe even were perceived as gods um

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01:28:11,350 --> 01:28:10,560
but were able to survive and start over

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01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:11,360
on ma

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01:28:14,950 --> 01:28:13,760
on on the earth i think that's a

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01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:14,960
possibility

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01:28:20,229 --> 01:28:18,239
um you know and um

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01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:20,239
our job is to put it all together if we

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01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:21,440
can

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01:28:28,870 --> 01:28:25,040
i i is it um for me i

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01:28:31,189 --> 01:28:28,880
i just feel like i'm living in the 1950s

2064
01:28:32,470 --> 01:28:31,199
um with you know flying saucers and

2065
01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:32,480
rockets and

2066
01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:36,000
and and orbiting hotels and space

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01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:38,159
stations and a base on the moon

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01:28:44,629 --> 01:28:41,440
where space tourism starts next month

2069
01:28:48,310 --> 01:28:44,639
blue origin is going to be launching

2070
01:28:50,470 --> 01:28:48,320
eight astronauts or six uh next month

2071
01:28:51,990 --> 01:28:50,480
you know that's happening that's real

2072
01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:52,000
and elon

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01:28:57,910 --> 01:28:56,000
is going to mars there there's nobody

2074
01:28:59,590 --> 01:28:57,920
stopping there's nothing that is going

2075
01:29:02,229 --> 01:28:59,600
to stop elon

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01:29:03,990 --> 01:29:02,239
from going to mars do you feel like we

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01:29:05,669 --> 01:29:04,000
are living in the future that we were

2078
01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:05,679
promised so many years ago that it's

2079
01:29:10,310 --> 01:29:08,320
finally arrived

2080
01:29:12,629 --> 01:29:10,320
well this there's no doubt that

2081
01:29:14,790 --> 01:29:12,639
something right now is going on

2082
01:29:16,070 --> 01:29:14,800
you know with all these developments

2083
01:29:19,189 --> 01:29:16,080
ufos

2084
01:29:21,750 --> 01:29:19,199
um uaps um

2085
01:29:23,430 --> 01:29:21,760
you know the the news covering it more

2086
01:29:24,149 --> 01:29:23,440
more and more coming out from government

2087
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:24,159
agencies

2088
01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:27,520
it's all being taken seriously film

2089
01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:29,520
footage

2090
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:32,880
photographs um senators like senator

2091
01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:33,600
reid

2092
01:29:40,149 --> 01:29:38,400
whole ufo subject as well

2093
01:29:42,709 --> 01:29:40,159
i do see you know i think there's

2094
01:29:45,750 --> 01:29:42,719
something on the horizon

2095
01:29:46,470 --> 01:29:45,760
um you know i'm just not sure what it's

2096
01:29:48,629 --> 01:29:46,480
going to be

2097
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:48,639
but as as i said you know when you just

2098
01:29:52,870 --> 01:29:49,679
talked about

2099
01:29:55,030 --> 01:29:52,880
um you know the whole angle of um

2100
01:29:56,310 --> 01:29:55,040
going to mars and uh and he's definitely

2101
01:29:58,550 --> 01:29:56,320
going to mars

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01:29:59,590 --> 01:29:58,560
um that's a good thing because we're

2103
01:30:01,750 --> 01:29:59,600
talking about

2104
01:30:03,030 --> 01:30:01,760
as we said you know privatizing things

2105
01:30:05,110 --> 01:30:03,040
that's never really

2106
01:30:06,310 --> 01:30:05,120
to a significant degree that has not

2107
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:06,320
been done

2108
01:30:13,270 --> 01:30:09,840
and you know i mean if there is a super

2109
01:30:16,229 --> 01:30:13,280
secret space program i mean

2110
01:30:17,669 --> 01:30:16,239
and you know another agency goes looking

2111
01:30:19,910 --> 01:30:17,679
what are they going to do blow them out

2112
01:30:20,950 --> 01:30:19,920
the sky you know to keep the secret i

2113
01:30:24,070 --> 01:30:20,960
don't know

2114
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:24,080
um but i think the more and more

2115
01:30:29,350 --> 01:30:27,360
things get privatized the bigger chance

2116
01:30:30,629 --> 01:30:29,360
some of these secrets are gonna come

2117
01:30:34,070 --> 01:30:30,639
tumbling out

2118
01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:34,080
nick redfearn is our guest this is fade

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01:30:36,790 --> 01:30:35,440
to black i'm your host jimmy church

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we're going to take a quick break right

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01:30:39,430 --> 01:30:37,520
here

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when we come back we're going to switch

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01:30:42,870 --> 01:30:41,600
gears i'm going to talk about his new

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01:30:46,070 --> 01:30:42,880
book it was just released

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diary of secrets ufo conspiracies and

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the mysterious

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back

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way out here we listen to jimmy church

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you're listening to fade to black

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always on the edge of the hottest

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not of course you do

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just go to our membership section at

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and where we're headed do you wonder

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i do disruptions in the food supply

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and they usually occur with little

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hi i'm lisa vance you're listening to

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jimmy church

2208
01:34:49,990 --> 01:34:48,639
this is revolution the revolution will

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not be televised

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ciao

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01:35:39,430 --> 01:35:37,669
welcome back fade to black i'm real

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01:35:40,310 --> 01:35:39,440
simply church tonight nick redfern is

2213
01:35:43,430 --> 01:35:40,320
here

2214
01:35:46,950 --> 01:35:43,440
man you know nick is one of those guys

2215
01:35:49,830 --> 01:35:46,960
that i can just sit and talk to forever

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01:35:50,470 --> 01:35:49,840
we agree on everything music rock and

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roll

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and more with nick in just a second

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01:36:00,550 --> 01:35:57,600
right now i've got to talk to you about

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virtual shield virtual shield vpn

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01:36:07,270 --> 01:36:04,400
you need your own vpn now right before

2223
01:36:09,109 --> 01:36:07,280
uh i came back during the break i was

2224
01:36:11,990 --> 01:36:09,119
standing right over here

2225
01:36:13,510 --> 01:36:12,000
in the studio and i'm looking back and

2226
01:36:16,070 --> 01:36:13,520
and i'm just observing

2227
01:36:16,950 --> 01:36:16,080
you know the lights and the action and

2228
01:36:20,390 --> 01:36:16,960
all

2229
01:36:23,189 --> 01:36:20,400
of the computers

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01:36:24,070 --> 01:36:23,199
that are here in this studio each one

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connected to the

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internet each one its own dedicated

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ethernet connection

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each one protected with virtual shield

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you need your own vpn there is too much

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going on

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in this studio this is an undisclosed

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location

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nobody knows nobody follows me nobody

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vpn our guest tonight nick redfearn and

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uh before we get to marilyn monroe

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01:37:44,709 --> 01:37:42,480
nick i had heard i just want to run this

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01:37:48,870 --> 01:37:44,719
by you i had heard

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01:37:51,590 --> 01:37:48,880
from a scientist an astrophysicist

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01:37:53,669 --> 01:37:51,600
he said he goes jimmy you want to

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01:37:57,590 --> 01:37:53,679
survive on mars

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01:38:00,550 --> 01:37:57,600
all you got to do is breathe the first

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01:38:02,629 --> 01:38:00,560
six inches of the ground down by your

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01:38:05,590 --> 01:38:02,639
feet there's oxygen there

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01:38:07,430 --> 01:38:05,600
have you heard that before no i haven't

2275
01:38:11,270 --> 01:38:07,440
heard that now but that's interesting

2276
01:38:15,189 --> 01:38:11,280
yeah right to say the least

2277
01:38:18,390 --> 01:38:15,199
yeah i remember um the movie robbers

2278
01:38:21,430 --> 01:38:18,400
robinson caruso on mars um

2279
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:21,440
incredible movie from the 50s uh go and

2280
01:38:25,669 --> 01:38:23,440
watch that is this whole

2281
01:38:26,550 --> 01:38:25,679
there's actual oxygen just get into a

2282
01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:26,560
cave

2283
01:38:31,030 --> 01:38:29,440
and you'll be able to breathe and uh

2284
01:38:33,109 --> 01:38:31,040
very very interesting

2285
01:38:34,310 --> 01:38:33,119
that the right down on the ground

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01:38:37,510 --> 01:38:34,320
compressed

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01:38:39,109 --> 01:38:37,520
right down at your ankles you could you

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01:38:41,189 --> 01:38:39,119
can survive you're not gonna

2289
01:38:42,870 --> 01:38:41,199
you're not gonna walk around a whole lot

2290
01:38:45,750 --> 01:38:42,880
but you'll be able to lay down

2291
01:38:47,750 --> 01:38:45,760
and survive if you had to uh so there

2292
01:38:50,310 --> 01:38:47,760
you go all right let's get to maryland

2293
01:38:51,590 --> 01:38:50,320
you had said uh i i found this so

2294
01:38:54,070 --> 01:38:51,600
interesting

2295
01:38:55,270 --> 01:38:54,080
he said to me last week you go jimmy are

2296
01:38:58,149 --> 01:38:55,280
you hip

2297
01:39:00,550 --> 01:38:58,159
to the maryland ufo connection i said i

2298
01:39:03,510 --> 01:39:00,560
am he said man it is the best store

2299
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:03,520
and it really is there is a lot of

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01:39:08,709 --> 01:39:04,960
evidence here

2301
01:39:14,629 --> 01:39:08,719
to support uh this idea that maryland

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01:39:17,750 --> 01:39:16,470
that's correct yep that's exactly the

2303
01:39:20,790 --> 01:39:17,760
story

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01:39:23,030 --> 01:39:20,800
and uh where did um

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01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:23,040
where did you choose to start out with

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01:39:27,910 --> 01:39:24,560
this because

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01:39:29,430 --> 01:39:27,920
uh of course we have uh jfk we have

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01:39:32,950 --> 01:39:29,440
robert kennedy

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01:39:35,750 --> 01:39:32,960
um and what may have been going on uh

2310
01:39:36,709 --> 01:39:35,760
between the three of them there's that

2311
01:39:40,229 --> 01:39:36,719
part of it

2312
01:39:44,270 --> 01:39:40,239
but what supports the ufo side

2313
01:39:47,510 --> 01:39:44,280
well the story itself um goes back to

2314
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:47,520
1995 and um

2315
01:39:50,790 --> 01:39:49,440
that was in the year well that was a

2316
01:39:54,229 --> 01:39:50,800
year in which

2317
01:39:57,350 --> 01:39:54,239
um a document surfaced um

2318
01:40:01,270 --> 01:39:57,360
which appeared to be a

2319
01:40:04,470 --> 01:40:01,280
legit cia document that talked about

2320
01:40:07,030 --> 01:40:04,480
marilyn monroe and ufos

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01:40:09,109 --> 01:40:07,040
now before i get to sort of the the

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01:40:09,830 --> 01:40:09,119
content i'll explain how the document

2323
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:09,840
surfaced

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01:40:15,189 --> 01:40:13,440
um in the early 1990s a ufo researcher

2325
01:40:17,189 --> 01:40:15,199
named timothy cooper

2326
01:40:19,510 --> 01:40:17,199
um said that he had contact with a

2327
01:40:22,070 --> 01:40:19,520
number of what we call whistleblowers

2328
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:22,080
sort of you know edward snowden types

2329
01:40:27,350 --> 01:40:25,440
right deep throats in um and the

2330
01:40:28,950 --> 01:40:27,360
all the president's men that kind of

2331
01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:28,960
thing and

2332
01:40:33,350 --> 01:40:31,520
he actually was given um you know

2333
01:40:35,189 --> 01:40:33,360
hundreds and hundreds of pages of

2334
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:35,199
documents that talked about alien

2335
01:40:40,629 --> 01:40:36,400
autopsies

2336
01:40:43,830 --> 01:40:40,639
and crashed ufos and secret ufo programs

2337
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:43,840
and um cooper said

2338
01:40:48,149 --> 01:40:46,000
during the course of this he was given

2339
01:40:50,870 --> 01:40:48,159
this one-page document

2340
01:40:52,070 --> 01:40:50,880
which was as i said looked like a cia

2341
01:40:55,669 --> 01:40:52,080
document

2342
01:40:56,229 --> 01:40:55,679
and it was basically uh the content of

2343
01:40:58,550 --> 01:40:56,239
it

2344
01:40:59,750 --> 01:40:58,560
was a conversation a wiretapped

2345
01:41:03,030 --> 01:40:59,760
conversation

2346
01:41:03,830 --> 01:41:03,040
between two people one was a well-known

2347
01:41:06,870 --> 01:41:03,840
journalist

2348
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:06,880
in the nineteen sixties now uh known uh

2349
01:41:10,629 --> 01:41:09,840
named dorothy kilgallon and she had a

2350
01:41:13,669 --> 01:41:10,639
good friend

2351
01:41:17,590 --> 01:41:13,679
named howard rothberg and

2352
01:41:21,109 --> 01:41:17,600
from marilyn and to other sources

2353
01:41:23,270 --> 01:41:21,119
she was reportedly um able to

2354
01:41:24,390 --> 01:41:23,280
sort of share with her friends the story

2355
01:41:27,910 --> 01:41:24,400
of roswell

2356
01:41:30,149 --> 01:41:27,920
crashed ufos dead aliens and

2357
01:41:31,510 --> 01:41:30,159
according to the document the c i a was

2358
01:41:34,950 --> 01:41:31,520
very concerned

2359
01:41:37,270 --> 01:41:34,960
about this story getting out um

2360
01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:37,280
because she got the story from the

2361
01:41:41,030 --> 01:41:38,400
kennedy brothers

2362
01:41:43,109 --> 01:41:41,040
and basically you know they'd sort of

2363
01:41:44,229 --> 01:41:43,119
tried to impress her into the bedroom so

2364
01:41:47,669 --> 01:41:44,239
to speak

2365
01:41:48,550 --> 01:41:47,679
and you and did so by sharing with

2366
01:41:51,270 --> 01:41:48,560
marilyn

2367
01:41:53,109 --> 01:41:51,280
some of the government's most um top

2368
01:41:56,870 --> 01:41:53,119
secrets like for example

2369
01:42:00,070 --> 01:41:56,880
plans to invade cuba to assassinate

2370
01:42:03,669 --> 01:42:00,080
uh fidel castro and one of the others

2371
01:42:05,669 --> 01:42:03,679
um was the issue of aliens

2372
01:42:08,229 --> 01:42:05,679
and proof that the government had

2373
01:42:11,990 --> 01:42:08,239
crashed ufos and dead aliens

2374
01:42:13,990 --> 01:42:12,000
and supposedly as the document states

2375
01:42:18,149 --> 01:42:14,000
all of this information was given to the

2376
01:42:21,669 --> 01:42:18,159
kennedys as i said to impress marilyn

2377
01:42:25,709 --> 01:42:21,679
and the cia was listening wiretapping

2378
01:42:28,390 --> 01:42:25,719
and the document is dated august 3

2379
01:42:30,790 --> 01:42:28,400
1962 which was one day

2380
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:30,800
before marilyn died so the inference is

2381
01:42:35,669 --> 01:42:31,840
that somebody

2382
01:42:39,109 --> 01:42:35,679
shut her down quickly um to try and

2383
01:42:41,430 --> 01:42:39,119
prevent the story from coming out now

2384
01:42:43,510 --> 01:42:41,440
when people say well isn't this just too

2385
01:42:45,189 --> 01:42:43,520
you know just too much the idea of the

2386
01:42:48,470 --> 01:42:45,199
kennedys marilyn

2387
01:42:49,750 --> 01:42:48,480
and ufos all together now what we can

2388
01:42:52,709 --> 01:42:49,760
say for sure

2389
01:42:53,830 --> 01:42:52,719
is that the document itself the the

2390
01:42:57,669 --> 01:42:53,840
typeface

2391
01:43:01,109 --> 01:42:57,679
is actually a 1950s through the 60s

2392
01:43:03,109 --> 01:43:01,119
typeface on the typewriter

2393
01:43:04,870 --> 01:43:03,119
we know that the paper was the right

2394
01:43:08,229 --> 01:43:04,880
paper for that era

2395
01:43:11,830 --> 01:43:08,239
we also know um that the heading

2396
01:43:14,149 --> 01:43:11,840
is it looks real everything looks real

2397
01:43:15,590 --> 01:43:14,159
and more importantly or equally

2398
01:43:18,070 --> 01:43:15,600
importantly

2399
01:43:19,109 --> 01:43:18,080
nobody ever came forward you know with

2400
01:43:21,910 --> 01:43:19,119
kind of like a

2401
01:43:22,310 --> 01:43:21,920
gotcha you know practical joke kind of

2402
01:43:25,189 --> 01:43:22,320
thing

2403
01:43:26,790 --> 01:43:25,199
that never happened nobody has ever come

2404
01:43:29,030 --> 01:43:26,800
forward and said

2405
01:43:30,470 --> 01:43:29,040
you know this was a hoax on my part or a

2406
01:43:33,830 --> 01:43:30,480
psychological

2407
01:43:35,990 --> 01:43:33,840
um operation to see you know how people

2408
01:43:38,229 --> 01:43:36,000
can be sort of um

2409
01:43:40,470 --> 01:43:38,239
you know sort of bottled and whatever by

2410
01:43:41,109 --> 01:43:40,480
giving them fake stories that kind of

2411
01:43:43,990 --> 01:43:41,119
thing

2412
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:44,000
that never happened no one ever tried to

2413
01:43:48,310 --> 01:43:45,840
make money on the documents

2414
01:43:49,109 --> 01:43:48,320
at all either so you know we have this

2415
01:43:52,070 --> 01:43:49,119
very

2416
01:43:53,830 --> 01:43:52,080
intriguing document handed over to

2417
01:43:57,109 --> 01:43:53,840
timothy cooper by

2418
01:44:00,790 --> 01:43:57,119
what was believed to be an an elderly

2419
01:44:03,830 --> 01:44:00,800
cia excuse me cia archivist

2420
01:44:07,109 --> 01:44:03,840
who um handed the co the

2421
01:44:09,910 --> 01:44:07,119
the documents over to timothy cooper

2422
01:44:10,950 --> 01:44:09,920
and that's how the story started to

2423
01:44:14,229 --> 01:44:10,960
surface but

2424
01:44:17,430 --> 01:44:14,239
round about 96 97 the story

2425
01:44:21,590 --> 01:44:17,440
stalled and it kind of went away and

2426
01:44:24,229 --> 01:44:21,600
but i never really let it go away and so

2427
01:44:25,910 --> 01:44:24,239
over the years i've sort of continued to

2428
01:44:29,350 --> 01:44:25,920
follow the story

2429
01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:29,360
and i thought well now 2021

2430
01:44:34,470 --> 01:44:32,880
um we're talking about um

2431
01:44:36,950 --> 01:44:34,480
now being able to sort of do a

2432
01:44:39,350 --> 01:44:36,960
full-length book on the whole story

2433
01:44:41,109 --> 01:44:39,360
and so quietly and carefully i did that

2434
01:44:43,510 --> 01:44:41,119
over the last few years

2435
01:44:45,510 --> 01:44:43,520
and until as i said you know i've got as

2436
01:44:48,629 --> 01:44:45,520
much material which i felt

2437
01:44:50,229 --> 01:44:48,639
told you know the story to it the extent

2438
01:44:52,470 --> 01:44:50,239
that i was able to

2439
01:44:54,070 --> 01:44:52,480
but um but yeah that's basically the

2440
01:44:57,510 --> 01:44:54,080
story um

2441
01:45:01,669 --> 01:44:57,520
you know that the leaking of a document

2442
01:45:03,669 --> 01:45:01,679
from the cia um talking about

2443
01:45:06,709 --> 01:45:03,679
how marilyn had been told by the

2444
01:45:07,109 --> 01:45:06,719
kennedys about crashed ufos and aliens

2445
01:45:10,149 --> 01:45:07,119
and

2446
01:45:13,750 --> 01:45:10,159
plots to kill cue to kill um

2447
01:45:15,109 --> 01:45:13,760
castro things like this and the cia was

2448
01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:15,119
so concerned

2449
01:45:19,510 --> 01:45:17,760
but somebody decided she's got to go

2450
01:45:22,790 --> 01:45:19,520
before she blows the whistle

2451
01:45:24,870 --> 01:45:22,800
now um and i've seen uh

2452
01:45:26,629 --> 01:45:24,880
i i believe this is the same document

2453
01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:26,639
that you're talking about the cia

2454
01:45:30,629 --> 01:45:27,280
maryland

2455
01:45:32,709 --> 01:45:30,639
document and in that document there are

2456
01:45:36,629 --> 01:45:32,719
two other things that stand out for me

2457
01:45:41,910 --> 01:45:36,639
one it mentions project moon dust

2458
01:45:45,990 --> 01:45:44,470
that was a sneeze now you heard it the

2459
01:45:48,709 --> 01:45:46,000
rest of the audience didn't

2460
01:45:49,510 --> 01:45:48,719
that was pretty loud that was pretty

2461
01:45:52,390 --> 01:45:49,520
loud

2462
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:52,400
um it mentions project moon dust and

2463
01:45:56,830 --> 01:45:53,040
then down

2464
01:45:59,590 --> 01:45:56,840
at the bottom of the document i see

2465
01:46:02,950 --> 01:45:59,600
mj12 there

2466
01:46:06,390 --> 01:46:02,960
um what what is is that a coin

2467
01:46:09,350 --> 01:46:06,400
for 1962 that's pretty

2468
01:46:10,870 --> 01:46:09,360
revolutionary to me to have moon dust

2469
01:46:12,550 --> 01:46:10,880
and mj12

2470
01:46:16,149 --> 01:46:12,560
in a document that mentions marilyn

2471
01:46:19,109 --> 01:46:16,159
monroe and this wiretap conversation

2472
01:46:19,510 --> 01:46:19,119
well yeah i mean as far as project moon

2473
01:46:23,910 --> 01:46:19,520
dust

2474
01:46:27,270 --> 01:46:23,920
was a us a real us

2475
01:46:29,510 --> 01:46:27,280
air force program and initially it was

2476
01:46:32,310 --> 01:46:29,520
designed like say for example

2477
01:46:33,590 --> 01:46:32,320
um if a russian satellite came down a

2478
01:46:35,830 --> 01:46:33,600
moondust team

2479
01:46:37,189 --> 01:46:35,840
would go out to retrieve it you know get

2480
01:46:39,030 --> 01:46:37,199
there before the russians did and it

2481
01:46:41,430 --> 01:46:39,040
would allow us to

2482
01:46:43,030 --> 01:46:41,440
analyze you know russian technology or

2483
01:46:46,070 --> 01:46:43,040
let's say for example

2484
01:46:47,030 --> 01:46:46,080
a chinese fighter plane crashed over the

2485
01:46:50,310 --> 01:46:47,040
pacific

2486
01:46:53,510 --> 01:46:50,320
and again american personnel were made

2487
01:46:54,310 --> 01:46:53,520
able to retrieve it and see you know how

2488
01:46:57,030 --> 01:46:54,320
advanced

2489
01:46:57,910 --> 01:46:57,040
the the chinese were that kind of thing

2490
01:47:00,709 --> 01:46:57,920
however

2491
01:47:02,229 --> 01:47:00,719
there been rumors for years the moon

2492
01:47:04,550 --> 01:47:02,239
dust was also

2493
01:47:06,310 --> 01:47:04,560
in the business of retrieving crashed

2494
01:47:09,510 --> 01:47:06,320
ufos

2495
01:47:12,629 --> 01:47:09,520
so you have both signs um now

2496
01:47:14,870 --> 01:47:12,639
the document is dated 62 and

2497
01:47:16,229 --> 01:47:14,880
the the earliest documents that i

2498
01:47:19,590 --> 01:47:16,239
personally have

2499
01:47:23,270 --> 01:47:19,600
on um boondus is 1954

2500
01:47:26,870 --> 01:47:23,280
and i've seen stories of 1953

2501
01:47:29,109 --> 01:47:26,880
so you know the that does fit in um

2502
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:29,119
now as far as the the other parts of the

2503
01:47:34,830 --> 01:47:29,920
documents

2504
01:47:38,030 --> 01:47:34,840
it actually it says mj12 and it all says

2505
01:47:41,750 --> 01:47:38,040
5412 now like a stamp on it

2506
01:47:43,750 --> 01:47:41,760
54-12 was a very covert

2507
01:47:44,870 --> 01:47:43,760
organization in the government which had

2508
01:47:47,669 --> 01:47:44,880
nothing to do

2509
01:47:48,310 --> 01:47:47,679
with ufos but he had everything to do

2510
01:47:52,310 --> 01:47:48,320
with

2511
01:47:53,750 --> 01:47:52,320
um sort of helping on programs like you

2512
01:47:56,790 --> 01:47:53,760
know plots to

2513
01:47:58,950 --> 01:47:56,800
um overthrow um castro

2514
01:48:01,350 --> 01:47:58,960
you know it's kind of like um almost

2515
01:48:02,550 --> 01:48:01,360
like the the james bonds if you like of

2516
01:48:06,310 --> 01:48:02,560
the government

2517
01:48:09,590 --> 01:48:06,320
um now as far as mj 12 is concerned

2518
01:48:10,470 --> 01:48:09,600
you know you either buy into it or you

2519
01:48:15,270 --> 01:48:10,480
don't

2520
01:48:18,709 --> 01:48:15,280
um now if there was a real majestic 12

2521
01:48:22,229 --> 01:48:18,719
um then it would have to have existed

2522
01:48:23,669 --> 01:48:22,239
as far back as 1962 but then of course

2523
01:48:26,229 --> 01:48:23,679
you've also got

2524
01:48:27,510 --> 01:48:26,239
um researchers who don't buy into the

2525
01:48:30,629 --> 01:48:27,520
existence of

2526
01:48:34,229 --> 01:48:30,639
mj-12 itself so

2527
01:48:37,350 --> 01:48:34,239
you know it's very um complicated story

2528
01:48:38,709 --> 01:48:37,360
um but i wanted to tell the whole story

2529
01:48:41,830 --> 01:48:38,719
you know without

2530
01:48:43,750 --> 01:48:41,840
um trying to push it down one avenue or

2531
01:48:45,270 --> 01:48:43,760
another i just wanted to totally go

2532
01:48:47,830 --> 01:48:45,280
where the evidence was

2533
01:48:49,350 --> 01:48:47,840
and if there's a problematic thing here

2534
01:48:52,229 --> 01:48:49,360
problematic thing there

2535
01:48:52,790 --> 01:48:52,239
well let's see how we can find out you

2536
01:48:56,709 --> 01:48:52,800
know

2537
01:48:57,270 --> 01:48:56,719
um can we can we go further into it and

2538
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:57,280
find

2539
01:49:01,510 --> 01:49:00,400
further data that actually you know that

2540
01:49:04,629 --> 01:49:01,520
actually shows that

2541
01:49:08,229 --> 01:49:04,639
it is um valid i mean for example

2542
01:49:11,669 --> 01:49:08,239
um the two people who were mentioned

2543
01:49:14,550 --> 01:49:11,679
in this cia document um

2544
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:14,560
in relation to what it says in the

2545
01:49:19,669 --> 01:49:16,960
documents about what marilyn knew about

2546
01:49:20,550 --> 01:49:19,679
roswell and crashed ufos one of the

2547
01:49:23,910 --> 01:49:20,560
people

2548
01:49:27,109 --> 01:49:23,920
who was mentioned was a friend of uh

2549
01:49:29,910 --> 01:49:27,119
marilyn dorothy kilgallon now

2550
01:49:31,750 --> 01:49:29,920
in the 50s and 60s dorothy kilgallon was

2551
01:49:34,950 --> 01:49:31,760
a very well respected

2552
01:49:37,109 --> 01:49:34,960
journalist in the united states a lot of

2553
01:49:37,430 --> 01:49:37,119
people don't know that going back to the

2554
01:49:42,629 --> 01:49:37,440
mid

2555
01:49:46,310 --> 01:49:42,639
50s she developed a big interest in ufos

2556
01:49:48,149 --> 01:49:46,320
because in the in may 1955 she went on

2557
01:49:50,790 --> 01:49:48,159
vacation to england

2558
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:50,800
and she was given a story by lord

2559
01:49:55,270 --> 01:49:51,840
mountbatten

2560
01:49:59,750 --> 01:49:55,280
one a major military figure in the uk

2561
01:50:01,270 --> 01:49:59,760
um she was get kill gallon was given by

2562
01:50:04,790 --> 01:50:01,280
uh lord mountbatten

2563
01:50:07,109 --> 01:50:04,800
um a story suggesting that the uk and

2564
01:50:10,149 --> 01:50:07,119
the us are working on a highly

2565
01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:10,159
classified program to understand

2566
01:50:13,910 --> 01:50:12,560
what these crashed ufos and dead aliens

2567
01:50:17,430 --> 01:50:13,920
that they got in their hands

2568
01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:17,440
were and from there

2569
01:50:21,750 --> 01:50:20,000
um dorothy kilgallon continued to have

2570
01:50:23,830 --> 01:50:21,760
this interest in ufos

2571
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:23,840
and never really went away until the way

2572
01:50:28,709 --> 01:50:25,679
until the day she died

2573
01:50:31,990 --> 01:50:28,719
now and talking of the way she died

2574
01:50:36,550 --> 01:50:32,000
she died young just in her early 50s

2575
01:50:39,990 --> 01:50:36,560
and um she died in bed and under very

2576
01:50:42,550 --> 01:50:40,000
mysterious circumstances and this was

2577
01:50:43,830 --> 01:50:42,560
also at the same time when she was

2578
01:50:48,149 --> 01:50:43,840
digging into

2579
01:50:51,189 --> 01:50:48,159
the um the jfk assassination

2580
01:50:54,709 --> 01:50:51,199
and on top of that um

2581
01:50:55,990 --> 01:50:54,719
she also was the uh one of the very few

2582
01:50:59,189 --> 01:50:56,000
people given

2583
01:51:00,149 --> 01:50:59,199
uh permission to interview jack ruby who

2584
01:51:03,990 --> 01:51:00,159
shot leo v

2585
01:51:05,990 --> 01:51:04,000
oswald who shot jfk so you have got

2586
01:51:08,750 --> 01:51:06,000
these threads and connections

2587
01:51:10,149 --> 01:51:08,760
with people tied to the jfk

2588
01:51:13,189 --> 01:51:10,159
assassination

2589
01:51:16,229 --> 01:51:13,199
with marilyn and so on and so on

2590
01:51:18,149 --> 01:51:16,239
uh with marilyn and kill gallon you pour

2591
01:51:19,830 --> 01:51:18,159
all these together and you start to see

2592
01:51:23,109 --> 01:51:19,840
these threads

2593
01:51:26,470 --> 01:51:23,119
that tie ufos with the kennedys

2594
01:51:27,189 --> 01:51:26,480
and with marilyn there is um in this

2595
01:51:30,229 --> 01:51:27,199
document

2596
01:51:33,669 --> 01:51:30,239
uh and this is a transcript

2597
01:51:34,149 --> 01:51:33,679
of uh a wiretap phone conversation

2598
01:51:37,270 --> 01:51:34,159
between

2599
01:51:41,430 --> 01:51:37,280
kill gallon and rothberg and

2600
01:51:43,510 --> 01:51:41,440
there's this one line that freaks me out

2601
01:51:44,470 --> 01:51:43,520
nick i want your comment on this

2602
01:51:47,430 --> 01:51:44,480
especially

2603
01:51:48,229 --> 01:51:47,440
when we think about the timeline of 1962

2604
01:51:50,709 --> 01:51:48,239
when

2605
01:51:52,229 --> 01:51:50,719
these types of conversations weren't

2606
01:51:56,950 --> 01:51:52,239
part of

2607
01:52:00,390 --> 01:51:56,960
pop culture which is this that

2608
01:52:03,589 --> 01:52:00,400
allegedly maryland was told

2609
01:52:06,629 --> 01:52:03,599
that then president kennedy went

2610
01:52:11,109 --> 01:52:06,639
to an air force base

2611
01:52:15,990 --> 01:52:11,119
to check out et parts right to look at

2612
01:52:18,790 --> 01:52:16,000
debris no it actually doesn't say that

2613
01:52:19,189 --> 01:52:18,800
now what it says was that the president

2614
01:52:22,390 --> 01:52:19,199
that

2615
01:52:26,070 --> 01:52:22,400
marilyn had been given information

2616
01:52:28,390 --> 01:52:26,080
suggesting that he um had gone to what

2617
01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:28,400
was described as a secret air base

2618
01:52:33,270 --> 01:52:30,960
marilyn didn't go there no not maryland

2619
01:52:36,550 --> 01:52:33,280
no no no no i'm not saying maryland

2620
01:52:39,990 --> 01:52:36,560
that the president told her that he went

2621
01:52:40,709 --> 01:52:40,000
to a base a secret base yes yes that's

2622
01:52:44,629 --> 01:52:40,719
correct yeah

2623
01:52:47,830 --> 01:52:44,639
okay you you misheard me or i misspoke

2624
01:52:49,510 --> 01:52:47,840
but no that's okay but let's stay let's

2625
01:52:51,790 --> 01:52:49,520
stay on point here

2626
01:52:53,270 --> 01:52:51,800
that's an extraordinary statement for

2627
01:52:55,189 --> 01:52:53,280
1962

2628
01:52:56,790 --> 01:52:55,199
that president kennedy's going to a

2629
01:53:00,310 --> 01:52:56,800
secret air force base

2630
01:53:03,350 --> 01:53:00,320
to look at crashed flying saucers

2631
01:53:06,470 --> 01:53:03,360
well i get the inference is because

2632
01:53:06,790 --> 01:53:06,480
it was the base itself was secret not

2633
01:53:14,310 --> 01:53:06,800
the

2634
01:53:17,270 --> 01:53:14,320
being secret

2635
01:53:18,550 --> 01:53:17,280
so the inference is well it's got to be

2636
01:53:20,870 --> 01:53:18,560
area 51

2637
01:53:22,629 --> 01:53:20,880
right because right you know most other

2638
01:53:24,950 --> 01:53:22,639
bases around the company have their own

2639
01:53:25,510 --> 01:53:24,960
secrets but the bases themselves aren't

2640
01:53:27,990 --> 01:53:25,520
secret

2641
01:53:28,870 --> 01:53:28,000
you know that's a very different thing

2642
01:53:31,589 --> 01:53:28,880
um

2643
01:53:33,830 --> 01:53:31,599
so on most people who've read it have

2644
01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:33,840
suggested well yeah that does sound like

2645
01:53:39,990 --> 01:53:36,960
area 51. now what's interest

2646
01:53:43,550 --> 01:53:40,000
very interesting about this um is

2647
01:53:46,629 --> 01:53:43,560
that is the year 1962 now

2648
01:53:50,629 --> 01:53:46,639
1962 was supposedly

2649
01:53:55,430 --> 01:53:50,639
when jfk went to area 51

2650
01:53:58,709 --> 01:53:55,440
now also in 1962 a movie came out

2651
01:54:01,109 --> 01:53:58,719
um called seven days of may and

2652
01:54:04,470 --> 01:54:01,119
it's a really good um novel and it was

2653
01:54:07,189 --> 01:54:04,480
put it turned into a movie in 1964

2654
01:54:08,470 --> 01:54:07,199
and it's basically about a group within

2655
01:54:11,189 --> 01:54:08,480
the us military

2656
01:54:11,589 --> 01:54:11,199
that tries to overfl uh overthrow the

2657
01:54:13,589 --> 01:54:11,599
u.s

2658
01:54:14,790 --> 01:54:13,599
government and turn it into like a

2659
01:54:18,229 --> 01:54:14,800
military

2660
01:54:21,589 --> 01:54:18,239
coup kind of situation um

2661
01:54:24,790 --> 01:54:21,599
and if you read seven days in may um

2662
01:54:27,990 --> 01:54:24,800
it's actually got a secret base

2663
01:54:31,350 --> 01:54:28,000
in the story and it's called site y

2664
01:54:32,790 --> 01:54:31,360
and site y is not in nevada like area 51

2665
01:54:36,149 --> 01:54:32,800
but site y

2666
01:54:38,870 --> 01:54:36,159
is deep in the deserts of south texas

2667
01:54:39,589 --> 01:54:38,880
and no one can get out there nobody

2668
01:54:41,910 --> 01:54:39,599
knows about

2669
01:54:43,750 --> 01:54:41,920
it the president doesn't know about it

2670
01:54:44,390 --> 01:54:43,760
the government can't figure out where

2671
01:54:47,589 --> 01:54:44,400
it's getting

2672
01:54:50,070 --> 01:54:47,599
funding from and if you read it

2673
01:54:50,950 --> 01:54:50,080
retrospectively it's it comes across

2674
01:54:54,470 --> 01:54:50,960
just like

2675
01:54:57,589 --> 01:54:54,480
area 51 and um

2676
01:54:59,830 --> 01:54:57,599
so you know we have in fiction

2677
01:55:01,350 --> 01:54:59,840
in novels and which was to one that was

2678
01:55:03,750 --> 01:55:01,360
turned into a movie

2679
01:55:06,070 --> 01:55:03,760
seven days in may you've got all of this

2680
01:55:10,229 --> 01:55:06,080
going on in 1962

2681
01:55:12,870 --> 01:55:10,239
talking about um area 51

2682
01:55:15,510 --> 01:55:12,880
and what's more intriguing is that the

2683
01:55:18,550 --> 01:55:15,520
novel itself the authors were friends

2684
01:55:20,470 --> 01:55:18,560
of kennedy and he actually

2685
01:55:21,990 --> 01:55:20,480
pushed them to try and have a movie

2686
01:55:25,430 --> 01:55:22,000
version of

2687
01:55:27,669 --> 01:55:25,440
seven days in may um put into

2688
01:55:30,229 --> 01:55:27,679
into a movie and it actually was made

2689
01:55:34,310 --> 01:55:30,239
into a movie in 1964

2690
01:55:37,830 --> 01:55:34,320
and the the guy who who uh plans the

2691
01:55:41,270 --> 01:55:37,840
um the plot uh to take over the us

2692
01:55:43,750 --> 01:55:41,280
um was bert lancaster the actor

2693
01:55:45,030 --> 01:55:43,760
and the one who sort of saves the day is

2694
01:55:47,750 --> 01:55:45,040
kirk douglas

2695
01:55:48,870 --> 01:55:47,760
um but what's intriguing as well is that

2696
01:55:52,629 --> 01:55:48,880
at one point

2697
01:55:54,550 --> 01:55:52,639
um but uh lancaster's um character

2698
01:55:55,750 --> 01:55:54,560
is in a room and kirk douglas come

2699
01:55:59,030 --> 01:55:55,760
walking in

2700
01:56:00,149 --> 01:55:59,040
and they're looking at this big um map

2701
01:56:02,870 --> 01:56:00,159
on the wall

2702
01:56:03,430 --> 01:56:02,880
and well what do you think that the map

2703
01:56:06,470 --> 01:56:03,440
actually

2704
01:56:08,950 --> 01:56:06,480
shows uh on the screen it shows

2705
01:56:10,470 --> 01:56:08,960
the the map is showing roswell new

2706
01:56:14,709 --> 01:56:10,480
mexico

2707
01:56:18,070 --> 01:56:14,719
um now that may just be a coincidence

2708
01:56:20,709 --> 01:56:18,080
but jfk we know for a fact 100

2709
01:56:22,149 --> 01:56:20,719
facts tried to get that book talking

2710
01:56:25,350 --> 01:56:22,159
about site y

2711
01:56:28,390 --> 01:56:25,360
and the secret base um he was

2712
01:56:29,270 --> 01:56:28,400
jfk was able to put enough pressure to

2713
01:56:32,790 --> 01:56:29,280
get the book

2714
01:56:35,109 --> 01:56:32,800
the movie made for 1964 obviously didn't

2715
01:56:37,830 --> 01:56:35,119
see because he was killed in 63.

2716
01:56:39,669 --> 01:56:37,840
however you know you've got all these in

2717
01:56:43,270 --> 01:56:39,679
again all these intriguing

2718
01:56:47,109 --> 01:56:43,280
connections like site y area 51

2719
01:56:51,109 --> 01:56:47,119
the secret air base um in the documents

2720
01:56:54,550 --> 01:56:51,119
and all of it revolving around 1962

2721
01:56:59,990 --> 01:56:54,560
the uh seven days in may nick

2722
01:57:03,990 --> 01:57:00,000
for for 1964 is one of the most intense

2723
01:57:04,550 --> 01:57:04,000
nerve-wracking crazy movies you can ever

2724
01:57:08,550 --> 01:57:04,560
watch

2725
01:57:10,870 --> 01:57:08,560
it it's it's an unbelievably intense

2726
01:57:11,990 --> 01:57:10,880
film where you're thinking no this can't

2727
01:57:14,390 --> 01:57:12,000
go down

2728
01:57:15,109 --> 01:57:14,400
right well that what was funny in the

2729
01:57:17,189 --> 01:57:15,119
movie

2730
01:57:18,550 --> 01:57:17,199
they were thinking this can't go down

2731
01:57:22,070 --> 01:57:18,560
this is impossible

2732
01:57:25,910 --> 01:57:22,080
right the overthrow uh by the military

2733
01:57:26,470 --> 01:57:25,920
and it is it's a road map how to get it

2734
01:57:28,629 --> 01:57:26,480
done

2735
01:57:29,510 --> 01:57:28,639
even even by today's standards it's an

2736
01:57:33,030 --> 01:57:29,520
intense film

2737
01:57:33,430 --> 01:57:33,040
incredibly great film well yeah well the

2738
01:57:36,790 --> 01:57:33,440
two

2739
01:57:39,510 --> 01:57:36,800
authors were charles w bailey the second

2740
01:57:41,350 --> 01:57:39,520
and and fletcher neville and they did a

2741
01:57:43,510 --> 01:57:41,360
number of books together

2742
01:57:45,830 --> 01:57:43,520
and they were not just your average

2743
01:57:46,870 --> 01:57:45,840
author they were plugged into with a lot

2744
01:57:49,910 --> 01:57:46,880
of people

2745
01:57:51,270 --> 01:57:49,920
in the white house in the government and

2746
01:57:53,910 --> 01:57:51,280
there's no doubt

2747
01:57:55,910 --> 01:57:53,920
that you know they got information on

2748
01:57:59,350 --> 01:57:55,920
something that clearly was

2749
01:57:59,830 --> 01:57:59,360
an outline of like area 51 you know it's

2750
01:58:02,390 --> 01:57:59,840
down

2751
01:58:03,430 --> 01:58:02,400
and as i said site y in the book and in

2752
01:58:06,390 --> 01:58:03,440
the movie

2753
01:58:07,990 --> 01:58:06,400
you know it's um site-wise out in the

2754
01:58:10,390 --> 01:58:08,000
desert nobody knows about

2755
01:58:12,629 --> 01:58:10,400
it the government can't figure out who's

2756
01:58:15,750 --> 01:58:12,639
funding it or even where it is

2757
01:58:16,870 --> 01:58:15,760
um and so again you know you've got

2758
01:58:19,910 --> 01:58:16,880
these threads

2759
01:58:22,229 --> 01:58:19,920
that sort of parallel what's being read

2760
01:58:24,149 --> 01:58:22,239
in the maryland documents as well

2761
01:58:25,910 --> 01:58:24,159
let's uh let's take our break right here

2762
01:58:27,430 --> 01:58:25,920
nick uh when we come back we've got to

2763
01:58:31,030 --> 01:58:27,440
get to the robert kennedy

2764
01:58:32,390 --> 01:58:31,040
side of all of this and one of the

2765
01:58:34,709 --> 01:58:32,400
things i want to ask you this really

2766
01:58:36,950 --> 01:58:34,719
quick i've got about 45 seconds

2767
01:58:37,830 --> 01:58:36,960
when people discuss well you know this

2768
01:58:40,709 --> 01:58:37,840
is this

2769
01:58:42,790 --> 01:58:40,719
this would never happen with pillow talk

2770
01:58:45,270 --> 01:58:42,800
this wouldn't these kind of converse

2771
01:58:48,550 --> 01:58:45,280
i would say that's exactly when this

2772
01:58:50,390 --> 01:58:48,560
kind of conversation would go down

2773
01:58:52,790 --> 01:58:50,400
now you're right i mean just because

2774
01:58:54,709 --> 01:58:52,800
somebody is a powerful politician

2775
01:58:55,910 --> 01:58:54,719
doesn't mean they don't screw up down

2776
01:58:59,430 --> 01:58:55,920
again you know and

2777
01:59:01,270 --> 01:58:59,440
and that's exactly when it would happen

2778
01:59:02,790 --> 01:59:01,280
this is fade to black our guest tonight

2779
01:59:03,270 --> 01:59:02,800
nick redfearn we're talking about his

2780
01:59:06,870 --> 01:59:03,280
new book

2781
01:59:08,709 --> 01:59:06,880
diary of secrets ufo conspiracies and

2782
01:59:11,030 --> 01:59:08,719
the mysterious death

2783
01:59:25,669 --> 01:59:11,040
of marilyn monroe more with nick after

2784
01:59:33,270 --> 01:59:27,109
hi everybody this is rob halpert the

2785
01:59:36,870 --> 01:59:35,830
this is kgra digital broadcasting

2786
01:59:40,550 --> 01:59:36,880
station

2787
01:59:42,310 --> 01:59:40,560
salt lake city utah van buren arkansas

2788
01:59:44,470 --> 01:59:42,320
why is it we're not very good with our

2789
01:59:45,830 --> 01:59:44,480
health regiment until it's too late we

2790
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on the game changer radio network

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church tonight our guest nick

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02:04:12,310 --> 02:04:10,000
redfearn and right now we're

2887
02:04:14,310 --> 02:04:12,320
talking about his new book it was just

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released diary of secrets ufo

2889
02:04:18,310 --> 02:04:15,599
conspiracies

2890
02:04:19,430 --> 02:04:18,320
and the mysterious death of marilyn

2891
02:04:22,229 --> 02:04:19,440
monroe

2892
02:04:23,030 --> 02:04:22,239
now nick going getting into some of the

2893
02:04:25,109 --> 02:04:23,040
details

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02:04:26,950 --> 02:04:25,119
that are that are covered in the book

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well i don't want to disclose

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a whole lot i want people to go and buy

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the book but there are some

2898
02:04:36,310 --> 02:04:33,280
other uh details for me that i think

2899
02:04:38,470 --> 02:04:36,320
are quite telling one and this is never

2900
02:04:40,310 --> 02:04:38,480
really discussed in the press and has

2901
02:04:43,430 --> 02:04:40,320
been overlooked

2902
02:04:46,550 --> 02:04:43,440
um but robert kennedy uh

2903
02:04:47,830 --> 02:04:46,560
was seen by witnesses at maryland's

2904
02:04:50,950 --> 02:04:47,840
house

2905
02:04:51,589 --> 02:04:50,960
right before she died yeah that's

2906
02:04:55,270 --> 02:04:51,599
correct

2907
02:04:57,990 --> 02:04:55,280
um if you go to the the fbi's website

2908
02:05:01,270 --> 02:04:58,000
which is called the vault it's vault.gov

2909
02:05:04,790 --> 02:05:01,280
um you can read the available

2910
02:05:07,109 --> 02:05:04,800
um files on um marilyn monroe

2911
02:05:08,229 --> 02:05:07,119
say the available ones because a lot of

2912
02:05:10,390 --> 02:05:08,239
the files

2913
02:05:12,870 --> 02:05:10,400
vanished years and years ago we could be

2914
02:05:15,990 --> 02:05:12,880
talking about thousands of pages just

2915
02:05:19,189 --> 02:05:16,000
you know sort of um burn

2916
02:05:20,149 --> 02:05:19,199
shredded or just put away uh to you know

2917
02:05:23,270 --> 02:05:20,159
hayden

2918
02:05:24,470 --> 02:05:23,280
um but the important thing about it is

2919
02:05:26,629 --> 02:05:24,480
if you go and read

2920
02:05:28,390 --> 02:05:26,639
the available files which runs to a

2921
02:05:31,910 --> 02:05:28,400
couple of hundred pages

2922
02:05:32,629 --> 02:05:31,920
you see numerous references to people

2923
02:05:35,830 --> 02:05:32,639
who

2924
02:05:39,669 --> 02:05:35,840
knew that um robert kennedy and marilyn

2925
02:05:43,350 --> 02:05:39,679
had um had an affair and um

2926
02:05:47,030 --> 02:05:43,360
this theme runs throughout the

2927
02:05:50,550 --> 02:05:47,040
fbi's marilyn file and it talks about

2928
02:05:54,069 --> 02:05:50,560
um where reportedly marilyn

2929
02:05:57,750 --> 02:05:54,079
and robert kennedy had met sort of

2930
02:06:01,109 --> 02:05:57,760
and traveled around together and

2931
02:06:03,830 --> 02:06:01,119
had sort of covert meetings and

2932
02:06:06,470 --> 02:06:03,840
to give you an extent to which uh the

2933
02:06:10,229 --> 02:06:06,480
fbi was concerned about this

2934
02:06:12,550 --> 02:06:10,239
in 1974 uh norman mailer

2935
02:06:15,270 --> 02:06:12,560
wrote a book called maryland and he

2936
02:06:16,149 --> 02:06:15,280
talked all about this the kennedys etc

2937
02:06:19,189 --> 02:06:16,159
etc

2938
02:06:22,550 --> 02:06:19,199
and this was not this was 1974

2939
02:06:24,629 --> 02:06:22,560
and the fbi was still um putting files

2940
02:06:26,470 --> 02:06:24,639
together on maryland and she'd been dead

2941
02:06:28,709 --> 02:06:26,480
since 1962

2942
02:06:30,709 --> 02:06:28,719
but the fbi was very concerned about

2943
02:06:33,750 --> 02:06:30,719
these rumors about

2944
02:06:35,030 --> 02:06:33,760
uh robert kennedy far more so than than

2945
02:06:37,830 --> 02:06:35,040
john kennedy

2946
02:06:39,109 --> 02:06:37,840
um but if you read those files they're

2947
02:06:41,750 --> 02:06:39,119
very very deep

2948
02:06:42,709 --> 02:06:41,760
and they show the reasons why the fbi

2949
02:06:46,790 --> 02:06:42,719
was watching

2950
02:06:48,709 --> 02:06:46,800
uh marilyn and a part of it was because

2951
02:06:52,629 --> 02:06:48,719
she was developing an interest

2952
02:06:54,229 --> 02:06:52,639
in communism and the other angle was she

2953
02:06:56,790 --> 02:06:54,239
actually applied

2954
02:06:57,430 --> 02:06:56,800
for a visa to go to the soviet union

2955
02:07:01,510 --> 02:06:57,440
which

2956
02:07:04,470 --> 02:07:01,520
um jahidge hoover did not like um

2957
02:07:04,790 --> 02:07:04,480
and so those were the primary reasons

2958
02:07:07,669 --> 02:07:04,800
but

2959
02:07:08,870 --> 02:07:07,679
of course when you know the the affairs

2960
02:07:12,229 --> 02:07:08,880
started

2961
02:07:15,270 --> 02:07:12,239
and the rumors began to surface that

2962
02:07:19,030 --> 02:07:15,280
the kennedys had tried to impress

2963
02:07:21,189 --> 02:07:19,040
um marilyn by sort of giving the

2964
02:07:23,350 --> 02:07:21,199
her information on some of the you know

2965
02:07:27,430 --> 02:07:23,360
the biggest secrets out there

2966
02:07:30,149 --> 02:07:27,440
uh or not out there i should say um

2967
02:07:31,990 --> 02:07:30,159
that's when things really sort of sped

2968
02:07:35,189 --> 02:07:32,000
up for the fbi and they

2969
02:07:39,350 --> 02:07:35,199
that agents follower um when she went

2970
02:07:42,629 --> 02:07:39,360
in march i think it was 1962

2971
02:07:46,629 --> 02:07:42,639
but it was in 1962 she went to mexico

2972
02:07:49,030 --> 02:07:46,639
on vacation and while she was out there

2973
02:07:49,830 --> 02:07:49,040
the fbi followed her there's an entire

2974
02:07:53,030 --> 02:07:49,840
section

2975
02:07:53,990 --> 02:07:53,040
that talks about what they did on that

2976
02:07:57,589 --> 02:07:54,000
vacation

2977
02:08:00,310 --> 02:07:57,599
who with and etc etc and those

2978
02:08:02,069 --> 02:08:00,320
are not questionable documents those are

2979
02:08:04,069 --> 02:08:02,079
officially declassified

2980
02:08:06,629 --> 02:08:04,079
files which you you as i said you can

2981
02:08:09,990 --> 02:08:06,639
read them in pdf format

2982
02:08:13,350 --> 02:08:10,000
um at the vault website now

2983
02:08:16,550 --> 02:08:13,360
um there's another part to this

2984
02:08:19,830 --> 02:08:16,560
that we have to seriously consider

2985
02:08:23,109 --> 02:08:19,840
um maryland huge star

2986
02:08:26,310 --> 02:08:23,119
much loved uh in the country and we know

2987
02:08:28,470 --> 02:08:26,320
about um the connection between

2988
02:08:29,430 --> 02:08:28,480
you know she's saying happy birthday to

2989
02:08:32,069 --> 02:08:29,440
him at

2990
02:08:32,709 --> 02:08:32,079
madison square garden we know these

2991
02:08:36,629 --> 02:08:32,719
things

2992
02:08:40,629 --> 02:08:36,639
about them but how serious

2993
02:08:43,830 --> 02:08:40,639
uh would the public have taken maryland

2994
02:08:45,990 --> 02:08:43,840
if she did come forward like is has been

2995
02:08:47,430 --> 02:08:46,000
suggested by many people and including

2996
02:08:50,470 --> 02:08:47,440
this book

2997
02:08:52,390 --> 02:08:50,480
about ufos and secrets and and john f

2998
02:08:54,069 --> 02:08:52,400
kennedy and the government

2999
02:08:56,870 --> 02:08:54,079
would you know is that something that

3000
02:08:58,790 --> 02:08:56,880
would have been believed

3001
02:09:00,790 --> 02:08:58,800
well actually that's a good point

3002
02:09:01,669 --> 02:09:00,800
because i mean you really do have a

3003
02:09:04,950 --> 02:09:01,679
gamble

3004
02:09:07,350 --> 02:09:04,960
you either silence marilyn and get rid

3005
02:09:10,390 --> 02:09:07,360
of her so the story never comes out

3006
02:09:12,390 --> 02:09:10,400
or you gamble that she gets the story

3007
02:09:13,669 --> 02:09:12,400
out into the public domain and to the

3008
02:09:18,069 --> 02:09:13,679
media

3009
02:09:18,470 --> 02:09:18,079
and people then listen or they don't you

3010
02:09:22,310 --> 02:09:18,480
know

3011
02:09:25,430 --> 02:09:22,320
would say

3012
02:09:28,310 --> 02:09:25,440
it would be an incredible gamble

3013
02:09:29,669 --> 02:09:28,320
to let her get away and say everything

3014
02:09:32,790 --> 02:09:29,679
that she knew

3015
02:09:35,430 --> 02:09:32,800
um rather than just saying

3016
02:09:35,910 --> 02:09:35,440
well the easiest thing is to get rid of

3017
02:09:38,390 --> 02:09:35,920
her

3018
02:09:39,350 --> 02:09:38,400
you know the gamble would be a big one

3019
02:09:42,709 --> 02:09:39,360
um

3020
02:09:45,109 --> 02:09:42,719
and of course it may sort of open up

3021
02:09:47,109 --> 02:09:45,119
other angles as well such as as i said

3022
02:09:50,790 --> 02:09:47,119
you know plots to invade

3023
02:09:54,069 --> 02:09:50,800
um cuba to kill castro and also

3024
02:09:55,910 --> 02:09:54,079
references to um elements of the

3025
02:09:58,069 --> 02:09:55,920
government sort of doing deals with the

3026
02:10:01,589 --> 02:09:58,079
mafia this kind of thing

3027
02:10:03,430 --> 02:10:01,599
and nobody wanted any of these different

3028
02:10:05,189 --> 02:10:03,440
angles to come out it wasn't just the

3029
02:10:08,629 --> 02:10:05,199
ufo thing you know they wanted

3030
02:10:11,910 --> 02:10:08,639
all of it kept hidden um

3031
02:10:15,109 --> 02:10:11,920
so somebody over eager you know

3032
02:10:17,030 --> 02:10:15,119
might have crossed the line and

3033
02:10:19,189 --> 02:10:17,040
before you know it you know big news the

3034
02:10:22,069 --> 02:10:19,199
next day marilyn's dead

3035
02:10:22,870 --> 02:10:22,079
well now um and i want your opinion on

3036
02:10:24,950 --> 02:10:22,880
this you know

3037
02:10:27,350 --> 02:10:24,960
we're talking about camelot here right

3038
02:10:31,270 --> 02:10:27,360
we're talking about the kennedys

3039
02:10:33,669 --> 02:10:31,280
um do you think that you know because to

3040
02:10:34,550 --> 02:10:33,679
to put any of the kennedys in a dark

3041
02:10:37,910 --> 02:10:34,560
light

3042
02:10:38,950 --> 02:10:37,920
uh it's heresy right you just don't do

3043
02:10:41,990 --> 02:10:38,960
that

3044
02:10:45,510 --> 02:10:42,000
but yet uh robert

3045
02:10:47,750 --> 02:10:45,520
kennedy was seen by witnesses with a

3046
02:10:49,189 --> 02:10:47,760
couple of other guys and apparently one

3047
02:10:52,629 --> 02:10:49,199
of them had a

3048
02:10:56,790 --> 02:10:52,639
uh a black uh uh

3049
02:10:59,750 --> 02:10:56,800
doctor's bag with with them um

3050
02:11:00,629 --> 02:10:59,760
at her home she's later obviously found

3051
02:11:03,830 --> 02:11:00,639
dead

3052
02:11:04,550 --> 02:11:03,840
but that would suggest that robert was

3053
02:11:08,149 --> 02:11:04,560
there

3054
02:11:11,270 --> 02:11:08,159
robert kennedy right attorney general

3055
02:11:14,310 --> 02:11:11,280
is is there to uh

3056
02:11:16,470 --> 02:11:14,320
make sure that she's killed

3057
02:11:17,350 --> 02:11:16,480
and and now we're talking about murder

3058
02:11:20,550 --> 02:11:17,360
we're not talking

3059
02:11:21,109 --> 02:11:20,560
about a suicide would that have been

3060
02:11:23,830 --> 02:11:21,119
done

3061
02:11:24,470 --> 02:11:23,840
hypothetically speaking here uh with the

3062
02:11:28,709 --> 02:11:24,480
knowledge

3063
02:11:31,910 --> 02:11:28,719
of uh then president john f kennedy

3064
02:11:33,510 --> 02:11:31,920
well i think it would be a slightly

3065
02:11:36,310 --> 02:11:33,520
different scenario

3066
02:11:37,510 --> 02:11:36,320
i think you know the it'd be more along

3067
02:11:39,589 --> 02:11:37,520
the lines of

3068
02:11:41,030 --> 02:11:39,599
there are people within governments who

3069
02:11:43,430 --> 02:11:41,040
had deep concerns

3070
02:11:45,189 --> 02:11:43,440
as to what marilyn knew what she'd been

3071
02:11:46,629 --> 02:11:45,199
told by the kennedys

3072
02:11:48,550 --> 02:11:46,639
and more and more people in the

3073
02:11:50,149 --> 02:11:48,560
intelligence community were getting more

3074
02:11:53,270 --> 02:11:50,159
and more concerned

3075
02:11:55,510 --> 02:11:53,280
and so somebody said something along the

3076
02:11:57,830 --> 02:11:55,520
line i'm a bit this is hypothetical now

3077
02:11:59,109 --> 02:11:57,840
you know somebody said something along

3078
02:12:01,430 --> 02:11:59,119
the lines of

3079
02:12:02,550 --> 02:12:01,440
you know she's becoming more and more of

3080
02:12:05,270 --> 02:12:02,560
a problem

3081
02:12:06,629 --> 02:12:05,280
and then you know you see these pictures

3082
02:12:09,109 --> 02:12:06,639
like um

3083
02:12:09,750 --> 02:12:09,119
you know characters what we call fixers

3084
02:12:12,149 --> 02:12:09,760
you know

3085
02:12:14,310 --> 02:12:12,159
somebody will get a job done and

3086
02:12:18,069 --> 02:12:14,320
everybody else can look the other way

3087
02:12:19,510 --> 02:12:18,079
that kind of situation and so i don't

3088
02:12:21,830 --> 02:12:19,520
think you know they'll ever

3089
02:12:24,069 --> 02:12:21,840
be and i don't think there ever has been

3090
02:12:26,550 --> 02:12:24,079
you know a document that says please

3091
02:12:27,910 --> 02:12:26,560
assassinate marilyn monroe tomorrow

3092
02:12:29,669 --> 02:12:27,920
morning that kind of thing that

3093
02:12:31,350 --> 02:12:29,679
that's ridiculous you know that

3094
02:12:32,390 --> 02:12:31,360
something without anything like that

3095
02:12:34,470 --> 02:12:32,400
would ever happen

3096
02:12:35,830 --> 02:12:34,480
a document like that would never be made

3097
02:12:38,069 --> 02:12:35,840
it would be just

3098
02:12:38,870 --> 02:12:38,079
you know some one person tell somebody

3099
02:12:42,470 --> 02:12:38,880
else

3100
02:12:44,629 --> 02:12:42,480
somebody tells another person and

3101
02:12:46,069 --> 02:12:44,639
you know then you have someone who's

3102
02:12:49,990 --> 02:12:46,079
hired

3103
02:12:51,350 --> 02:12:50,000
no names used and some that person gets

3104
02:12:55,669 --> 02:12:51,360
the job done

3105
02:12:58,310 --> 02:12:55,679
and nobody takes the um

3106
02:12:58,790 --> 02:12:58,320
you know the the angle for having done

3107
02:13:02,790 --> 02:12:58,800
it

3108
02:13:05,430 --> 02:13:02,800
and nobody wants to know

3109
02:13:07,030 --> 02:13:05,440
you know that's that's how killings

3110
02:13:10,229 --> 02:13:07,040
often happen it's like

3111
02:13:13,589 --> 02:13:10,239
it's left to somebody to do now there's

3112
02:13:17,350 --> 02:13:13,599
uh uh to get uh into this

3113
02:13:19,109 --> 02:13:17,360
a little bit deeper my memory says

3114
02:13:21,030 --> 02:13:19,119
and you talk about this in the book but

3115
02:13:24,390 --> 02:13:21,040
there was also conversations

3116
02:13:27,669 --> 02:13:24,400
and and and theories laid out

3117
02:13:30,709 --> 02:13:27,679
in the past about this which is that

3118
02:13:32,390 --> 02:13:30,719
the medical examiner and correct me if

3119
02:13:33,030 --> 02:13:32,400
i'm wrong on any of this nick that's

3120
02:13:35,910 --> 02:13:33,040
fine

3121
02:13:37,669 --> 02:13:35,920
but that the medical examiner suggested

3122
02:13:44,069 --> 02:13:37,679
that she took around

3123
02:13:47,030 --> 02:13:44,079
100 pills now that's a lot of pills

3124
02:13:47,589 --> 02:13:47,040
is a lot of pills that you would have to

3125
02:13:49,430 --> 02:13:47,599
ingest

3126
02:13:51,430 --> 02:13:49,440
if you're gonna commit suicide are you

3127
02:13:55,030 --> 02:13:51,440
swallowing a hundred pills number one

3128
02:13:58,149 --> 02:13:55,040
and number two did they ever find

3129
02:14:01,189 --> 02:13:58,159
these pills in her stomach and number

3130
02:14:05,270 --> 02:14:01,199
three was all of this just based on

3131
02:14:07,270 --> 02:14:05,280
a blood test and and toxicology that

3132
02:14:08,390 --> 02:14:07,280
came back with the amount of drugs in

3133
02:14:10,390 --> 02:14:08,400
her system

3134
02:14:12,470 --> 02:14:10,400
that it wasn't necessarily 100 pills

3135
02:14:15,830 --> 02:14:12,480
that were found in her stomach

3136
02:14:16,470 --> 02:14:15,840
that maybe this was injected by this

3137
02:14:21,270 --> 02:14:16,480
doctor

3138
02:14:23,189 --> 02:14:21,280
well yeah this is where it gets really

3139
02:14:26,790 --> 02:14:23,199
controversial because

3140
02:14:29,750 --> 02:14:26,800
as you said with toxicology and alcohol

3141
02:14:30,470 --> 02:14:29,760
in a system you know i mean and if

3142
02:14:33,109 --> 02:14:30,480
you're not in

3143
02:14:34,550 --> 02:14:33,119
if your mind's not in a perfect state or

3144
02:14:37,109 --> 02:14:34,560
particularly bad state

3145
02:14:38,310 --> 02:14:37,119
you know because of the the drugs and

3146
02:14:41,669 --> 02:14:38,320
the alcohol

3147
02:14:44,790 --> 02:14:41,679
um you know it's you're not gonna be

3148
02:14:47,830 --> 02:14:44,800
in a particularly um

3149
02:14:51,510 --> 02:14:47,840
perfect state to say the least you know

3150
02:14:52,229 --> 02:14:51,520
and um it's a she was someone who was

3151
02:14:55,830 --> 02:14:52,239
very

3152
02:14:58,870 --> 02:14:55,840
emotional and um you know she

3153
02:15:01,109 --> 02:14:58,880
was the kind of person who you know when

3154
02:15:03,270 --> 02:15:01,119
she was sort of pushed away by the

3155
02:15:06,470 --> 02:15:03,280
kennedys you know she felt very

3156
02:15:07,430 --> 02:15:06,480
sort of um you know ignored and

3157
02:15:11,510 --> 02:15:07,440
forgotten

3158
02:15:15,109 --> 02:15:11,520
and so that's why you know leading up to

3159
02:15:15,910 --> 02:15:15,119
um the her death she was very depressed

3160
02:15:18,950 --> 02:15:15,920
and crying

3161
02:15:21,030 --> 02:15:18,960
and um you know just felt

3162
02:15:22,709 --> 02:15:21,040
everything was going wrong for and that

3163
02:15:26,870 --> 02:15:22,719
was also included

3164
02:15:28,790 --> 02:15:26,880
in with her career as well and um

3165
02:15:31,030 --> 02:15:28,800
and yeah you what you mentioned about

3166
02:15:31,750 --> 02:15:31,040
for example the the doctor there's been

3167
02:15:35,109 --> 02:15:31,760
a lot of

3168
02:15:37,270 --> 02:15:35,119
weird stories coming out of mourinho's

3169
02:15:40,470 --> 02:15:37,280
house on that night

3170
02:15:41,830 --> 02:15:40,480
um with discrepancies about when she

3171
02:15:44,629 --> 02:15:41,840
actually died

3172
02:15:45,830 --> 02:15:44,639
where in the house she was found about

3173
02:15:48,470 --> 02:15:45,840
doors being left

3174
02:15:50,790 --> 02:15:48,480
open to allow somebody into the house

3175
02:15:51,669 --> 02:15:50,800
things like this you put all that

3176
02:15:54,550 --> 02:15:51,679
together

3177
02:15:55,669 --> 02:15:54,560
and the fact that she had this diary

3178
02:15:58,229 --> 02:15:55,679
that's why i called

3179
02:15:59,030 --> 02:15:58,239
which she referred to like a diary of

3180
02:16:01,270 --> 02:15:59,040
secrets

3181
02:16:02,229 --> 02:16:01,280
that's why i called the the book my book

3182
02:16:05,669 --> 02:16:02,239
the same the

3183
02:16:08,149 --> 02:16:05,679
diary of secrets um but what we know

3184
02:16:08,790 --> 02:16:08,159
is that when her body was taken from her

3185
02:16:12,229 --> 02:16:08,800
home

3186
02:16:13,750 --> 02:16:12,239
a lot of her own uh personal items were

3187
02:16:17,270 --> 02:16:13,760
taken to the

3188
02:16:17,990 --> 02:16:17,280
um to the morgue and a number of the

3189
02:16:20,390 --> 02:16:18,000
people who

3190
02:16:22,069 --> 02:16:20,400
spoke excuse me who worked there spoke

3191
02:16:26,229 --> 02:16:22,079
on the record to say

3192
02:16:29,430 --> 02:16:26,239
they saw that diary um in the rooms

3193
02:16:31,750 --> 02:16:29,440
um for several days and then suddenly

3194
02:16:33,270 --> 02:16:31,760
bunch of people came in and the diary

3195
02:16:36,549 --> 02:16:33,280
was gone

3196
02:16:37,030 --> 02:16:36,559
so a lot of and that all kind of goes

3197
02:16:40,070 --> 02:16:37,040
back

3198
02:16:42,309 --> 02:16:40,080
to the night when she died and

3199
02:16:43,349 --> 02:16:42,319
you know with the drugs the alcohol but

3200
02:16:46,709 --> 02:16:43,359
also

3201
02:16:48,549 --> 02:16:46,719
with you know claims of um

3202
02:16:50,309 --> 02:16:48,559
somebody injecting her with you know

3203
02:16:54,070 --> 02:16:50,319
really high jugs

3204
02:16:56,070 --> 02:16:54,080
um and the fact that um

3205
02:16:57,509 --> 02:16:56,080
you know we've got the door being left

3206
02:17:00,790 --> 02:16:57,519
over a lot

3207
02:17:03,910 --> 02:17:00,800
you put all these issues together

3208
02:17:07,110 --> 02:17:03,920
and it does sort of paint a picture

3209
02:17:10,150 --> 02:17:07,120
of either putting in her a state

3210
02:17:11,030 --> 02:17:10,160
of mind where she felt life wasn't worth

3211
02:17:12,870 --> 02:17:11,040
living

3212
02:17:14,709 --> 02:17:12,880
and trying to push her further and

3213
02:17:18,230 --> 02:17:14,719
further down that pathway

3214
02:17:21,830 --> 02:17:18,240
he may have been like you know sort of a

3215
02:17:24,870 --> 02:17:21,840
halfway through like a suicide

3216
02:17:26,950 --> 02:17:24,880
and possibly something that was sort of

3217
02:17:30,790 --> 02:17:26,960
pushed further on her as well

3218
02:17:33,750 --> 02:17:30,800
um and possibly you know that

3219
02:17:34,870 --> 02:17:33,760
there was this um second layer if you

3220
02:17:37,509 --> 02:17:34,880
like of drugs

3221
02:17:38,629 --> 02:17:37,519
injected in as well but what we can say

3222
02:17:40,830 --> 02:17:38,639
for sure

3223
02:17:42,230 --> 02:17:40,840
is that a lot of there are a lot of

3224
02:17:45,910 --> 02:17:42,240
discrepancies

3225
02:17:47,669 --> 02:17:45,920
from round about 8 p.m on the night

3226
02:17:50,709 --> 02:17:47,679
before she was found dead

3227
02:17:52,389 --> 02:17:50,719
and through to the following morning and

3228
02:17:55,429 --> 02:17:52,399
when the police and the

3229
02:17:58,870 --> 02:17:55,439
ambulance came at in the morning

3230
02:18:00,469 --> 02:17:58,880
um i don't think we'll ever really know

3231
02:18:01,429 --> 02:18:00,479
the answer but there was a lot of

3232
02:18:04,389 --> 02:18:01,439
mysteries

3233
02:18:04,950 --> 02:18:04,399
surrounding her during those few hours

3234
02:18:08,389 --> 02:18:04,960
now

3235
02:18:09,349 --> 02:18:08,399
we've uh uh talked about there's a lot

3236
02:18:12,070 --> 02:18:09,359
of talk about the

3237
02:18:13,110 --> 02:18:12,080
the cia's memorandum in this document

3238
02:18:15,830 --> 02:18:13,120
about the

3239
02:18:17,429 --> 02:18:15,840
uh the transcription of a tapped uh

3240
02:18:19,910 --> 02:18:17,439
telephone call

3241
02:18:21,030 --> 02:18:19,920
um are there any other supporting

3242
02:18:25,349 --> 02:18:21,040
documents

3243
02:18:27,509 --> 02:18:25,359
uh with this that have surfaced

3244
02:18:28,950 --> 02:18:27,519
well one of the intriguing things that

3245
02:18:31,750 --> 02:18:28,960
surfaced was that

3246
02:18:32,389 --> 02:18:31,760
when i started to do the research on

3247
02:18:35,589 --> 02:18:32,399
this

3248
02:18:38,070 --> 02:18:35,599
because

3249
02:18:39,830 --> 02:18:38,080
i wanted to make sure i could sort of

3250
02:18:41,429 --> 02:18:39,840
keep doing the investigation without

3251
02:18:44,309 --> 02:18:41,439
somebody else kind of

3252
02:18:44,950 --> 02:18:44,319
um blowing it all up too quickly before

3253
02:18:46,950 --> 02:18:44,960
we had the

3254
02:18:48,469 --> 02:18:46,960
all the data in hand you know if you're

3255
02:18:49,509 --> 02:18:48,479
gonna look into something really

3256
02:18:51,830 --> 02:18:49,519
controversial

3257
02:18:53,030 --> 02:18:51,840
you need to do it carefully and slowly

3258
02:18:56,070 --> 02:18:53,040
not sort of

3259
02:18:58,629 --> 02:18:56,080
run around like a mad thing you know and

3260
02:18:59,910 --> 02:18:58,639
one of the things that i found i

3261
02:19:03,270 --> 02:18:59,920
mentioned earlier

3262
02:19:05,750 --> 02:19:03,280
um that the document was handed over to

3263
02:19:08,790 --> 02:19:05,760
a guy named milo spiriglio

3264
02:19:12,150 --> 02:19:08,800
and milo spiriglio was both a

3265
02:19:14,230 --> 02:19:12,160
writer or an author i should say and

3266
02:19:15,990 --> 02:19:14,240
a private detective and he wrote three

3267
02:19:19,589 --> 02:19:16,000
books on marilyn

3268
02:19:23,750 --> 02:19:19,599
and the document was handed over to him

3269
02:19:26,870 --> 02:19:23,760
in 1995 as i mentioned it was originally

3270
02:19:28,070 --> 02:19:26,880
handed over to a ufo researcher timothy

3271
02:19:31,830 --> 02:19:28,080
cooper

3272
02:19:35,110 --> 02:19:31,840
back in the early 90s and

3273
02:19:38,150 --> 02:19:35,120
and cooper then handed it over to

3274
02:19:41,750 --> 02:19:38,160
spiriglio and spiriglio in 95

3275
02:19:43,030 --> 02:19:41,760
put on a press conference to say he got

3276
02:19:44,709 --> 02:19:43,040
this document

3277
02:19:47,349 --> 02:19:44,719
and he wanted to know what people

3278
02:19:49,990 --> 02:19:47,359
thought of it and

3279
02:19:50,630 --> 02:19:50,000
and that that was basically the story

3280
02:19:52,630 --> 02:19:50,640
and

3281
02:19:53,670 --> 02:19:52,640
it never really went any further with

3282
02:19:56,389 --> 02:19:53,680
spiriglio

3283
02:19:57,030 --> 02:19:56,399
however i use the freedom of information

3284
02:19:59,910 --> 02:19:57,040
act

3285
02:20:01,750 --> 02:19:59,920
just to see if there was anything um in

3286
02:20:04,790 --> 02:20:01,760
the cia's files

3287
02:20:06,070 --> 02:20:04,800
on spiriglio and i was amazed when i got

3288
02:20:09,510 --> 02:20:06,080
through the mail

3289
02:20:10,469 --> 02:20:09,520
a batch of documents um that showed for

3290
02:20:14,550 --> 02:20:10,479
years

3291
02:20:18,070 --> 02:20:14,560
um that spiriglio was being watched

3292
02:20:21,670 --> 02:20:18,080
by the cia of all people um

3293
02:20:24,630 --> 02:20:21,680
i thought when every time um spiriglio

3294
02:20:26,389 --> 02:20:24,640
brought out a new book or talked about

3295
02:20:30,710 --> 02:20:26,399
his theories about marilyn

3296
02:20:32,630 --> 02:20:30,720
in the newspapers the cia photo copied

3297
02:20:33,990 --> 02:20:32,640
all of these stories all of these

3298
02:20:38,309 --> 02:20:34,000
newspaper

3299
02:20:40,950 --> 02:20:38,319
um articles and put them in this lengthy

3300
02:20:41,910 --> 02:20:40,960
cia file on spiriglio and what's

3301
02:20:45,190 --> 02:20:41,920
interesting

3302
02:20:47,349 --> 02:20:45,200
is that where the words um secret diary

3303
02:20:49,590 --> 02:20:47,359
or diary of secrets are mentioned in the

3304
02:20:53,110 --> 02:20:49,600
newspapers somebody in the cia

3305
02:20:56,469 --> 02:20:53,120
took a black marker and put a line

3306
02:20:58,870 --> 02:20:56,479
under those words diary of secrets now

3307
02:21:00,389 --> 02:20:58,880
that document is not a questionable one

3308
02:21:01,750 --> 02:21:00,399
that was released to me through the

3309
02:21:04,630 --> 02:21:01,760
terms of the freedom

3310
02:21:05,670 --> 02:21:04,640
information act and and shows that the

3311
02:21:07,670 --> 02:21:05,680
one man

3312
02:21:08,870 --> 02:21:07,680
who got his hands on that marilyn

3313
02:21:11,510 --> 02:21:08,880
document

3314
02:21:12,550 --> 02:21:11,520
was being watched and watched and

3315
02:21:15,750 --> 02:21:12,560
watched

3316
02:21:18,469 --> 02:21:15,760
and um so that's an important

3317
02:21:19,429 --> 02:21:18,479
aspect that sort of you know gives us

3318
02:21:21,670 --> 02:21:19,439
another

3319
02:21:23,349 --> 02:21:21,680
angle on the document side you know

3320
02:21:26,230 --> 02:21:23,359
there's the original

3321
02:21:27,590 --> 02:21:26,240
document the late documents and then

3322
02:21:30,309 --> 02:21:27,600
we've got the guy

3323
02:21:32,870 --> 02:21:30,319
who the document was handed over to then

3324
02:21:33,510 --> 02:21:32,880
finds himself being watched by the cia

3325
02:21:37,910 --> 02:21:33,520
so

3326
02:21:41,190 --> 02:21:37,920
you know i think that's

3327
02:21:43,429 --> 02:21:41,200
he's a good demonstration but

3328
02:21:45,510 --> 02:21:43,439
even back to the 80s that's when the

3329
02:21:48,070 --> 02:21:45,520
file started on spiriglio

3330
02:21:49,270 --> 02:21:48,080
they were still concerned about what

3331
02:21:53,270 --> 02:21:49,280
spiriglio

3332
02:21:56,469 --> 02:21:53,280
had found out about that diary and

3333
02:22:00,469 --> 02:21:56,479
you know bear in mind this was 1962

3334
02:22:03,710 --> 02:22:00,479
um when the the documents

3335
02:22:05,190 --> 02:22:03,720
given the diary vanished and it was the

3336
02:22:08,469 --> 02:22:05,200
1980s

3337
02:22:09,349 --> 02:22:08,479
um you know when the cia was locking

3338
02:22:12,630 --> 02:22:09,359
into all this

3339
02:22:15,750 --> 02:22:12,640
and it just went on and on so clearly

3340
02:22:17,910 --> 02:22:15,760
you know years after marilyn's death um

3341
02:22:19,990 --> 02:22:17,920
you know the cia was still concerned

3342
02:22:22,389 --> 02:22:20,000
about these rumors going around about

3343
02:22:24,870 --> 02:22:22,399
this diary and it vanishes

3344
02:22:26,309 --> 02:22:24,880
and what about the fbi you know we we

3345
02:22:29,990 --> 02:22:26,319
talk about the cia

3346
02:22:33,110 --> 02:22:30,000
a lot um did the fbi

3347
02:22:36,550 --> 02:22:33,120
blow or push all of this to the side or

3348
02:22:39,830 --> 02:22:36,560
were they also concerned about uh

3349
02:22:43,349 --> 02:22:39,840
you know suicide murder ufos

3350
02:22:49,750 --> 02:22:46,389
well as far as we know the fbi did not

3351
02:22:52,950 --> 02:22:49,760
sort of do you know a lengthy um

3352
02:22:55,030 --> 02:22:52,960
or at all um you know investigation of

3353
02:22:58,630 --> 02:22:55,040
marilyn's death you know that was done

3354
02:23:01,670 --> 02:22:58,640
by you know at the um the uh

3355
02:23:03,270 --> 02:23:01,680
you know the um with the doctors you

3356
02:23:04,230 --> 02:23:03,280
know that was probably primarily done

3357
02:23:07,590 --> 02:23:04,240
with doctors

3358
02:23:09,830 --> 02:23:07,600
and medical personnel um the police were

3359
02:23:12,469 --> 02:23:09,840
there obviously the local police

3360
02:23:13,270 --> 02:23:12,479
and and it did become you know a big

3361
02:23:16,309 --> 02:23:13,280
police

3362
02:23:20,150 --> 02:23:16,319
investigation um but

3363
02:23:24,710 --> 02:23:20,160
in terms of the fbi um the the fbi

3364
02:23:26,710 --> 02:23:24,720
file on maryland goes back to 1955

3365
02:23:27,990 --> 02:23:26,720
and that's when they opened their

3366
02:23:30,630 --> 02:23:28,000
surveillance file

3367
02:23:31,990 --> 02:23:30,640
honor and that goes back to when as i

3368
02:23:35,750 --> 02:23:32,000
mentioned earlier about

3369
02:23:37,670 --> 02:23:35,760
marilyn wanting to um get a visa so she

3370
02:23:38,790 --> 02:23:37,680
could go to russia to see what russia

3371
02:23:41,110 --> 02:23:38,800
was really like

3372
02:23:41,910 --> 02:23:41,120
because she was sort of developing an

3373
02:23:45,349 --> 02:23:41,920
interest

3374
02:23:47,110 --> 02:23:45,359
in communism and

3375
02:23:49,270 --> 02:23:47,120
and that was because of her connections

3376
02:23:52,150 --> 02:23:49,280
with arthur miller one of her husbands

3377
02:23:52,950 --> 02:23:52,160
um who was sort of um like a pro

3378
02:23:55,429 --> 02:23:52,960
communist

3379
02:23:57,990 --> 02:23:55,439
he was a symbolist he got caught there

3380
02:24:00,790 --> 02:23:58,000
was no doubt about it

3381
02:24:02,389 --> 02:24:00,800
yeah yeah and um it was basically a

3382
02:24:04,630 --> 02:24:02,399
situation where

3383
02:24:06,790 --> 02:24:04,640
j edgar hoover sort of flipped when he

3384
02:24:09,190 --> 02:24:06,800
found out that of all people marilyn

3385
02:24:10,950 --> 02:24:09,200
monroe one of the most famous americans

3386
02:24:11,910 --> 02:24:10,960
wanted to go to russia and see what it

3387
02:24:15,349 --> 02:24:11,920
was like

3388
02:24:18,790 --> 02:24:15,359
so that's the reason why um

3389
02:24:22,230 --> 02:24:18,800
marilyn basically was watched um

3390
02:24:25,429 --> 02:24:22,240
and what's interesting is the first file

3391
02:24:28,550 --> 02:24:25,439
on maryland that this 1955 one

3392
02:24:31,670 --> 02:24:28,560
the fbi actually made a copy of it

3393
02:24:32,550 --> 02:24:31,680
to the cia so both agencies were

3394
02:24:35,670 --> 02:24:32,560
watching her

3395
02:24:37,910 --> 02:24:35,680
at the same time they also

3396
02:24:39,910 --> 02:24:37,920
some of the files show that the

3397
02:24:40,710 --> 02:24:39,920
department of state were watching her as

3398
02:24:42,870 --> 02:24:40,720
well

3399
02:24:43,910 --> 02:24:42,880
so within the government it's like

3400
02:24:45,830 --> 02:24:43,920
everybody

3401
02:24:47,110 --> 02:24:45,840
and his brother was watching her you

3402
02:24:50,870 --> 02:24:47,120
know across the

3403
02:24:53,590 --> 02:24:50,880
um the years and um

3404
02:24:56,550 --> 02:24:53,600
but there's a lot of material contained

3405
02:24:58,950 --> 02:24:56,560
in that file which shows the fbi

3406
02:24:59,830 --> 02:24:58,960
was particularly concerned about these

3407
02:25:03,270 --> 02:24:59,840
rumors

3408
02:25:04,230 --> 02:25:03,280
coming out about uh marilyn and robert

3409
02:25:07,830 --> 02:25:04,240
kennedy

3410
02:25:08,830 --> 02:25:07,840
less or so in relation to jfk they were

3411
02:25:12,870 --> 02:25:08,840
just sort of

3412
02:25:15,990 --> 02:25:12,880
um sort of small references and

3413
02:25:19,750 --> 02:25:16,000
the the conclusion a lot of

3414
02:25:23,190 --> 02:25:19,760
marilyn researchers is that um

3415
02:25:27,190 --> 02:25:23,200
that marilyn and jfk may have had

3416
02:25:27,670 --> 02:25:27,200
um sort of um situations together if you

3417
02:25:30,790 --> 02:25:27,680
like

3418
02:25:34,150 --> 02:25:30,800
maybe once or twice but with um

3419
02:25:37,270 --> 02:25:34,160
rfk according to the files as well

3420
02:25:41,030 --> 02:25:37,280
you know we're talking about um sort of

3421
02:25:44,309 --> 02:25:41,040
multiple meetings um so

3422
02:25:46,790 --> 02:25:44,319
he was sort of perceived more as the

3423
02:25:47,990 --> 02:25:46,800
you know sort of the dangerous one in

3424
02:25:50,630 --> 02:25:48,000
terms of

3425
02:25:51,110 --> 02:25:50,640
of what could actually come out do you

3426
02:25:53,429 --> 02:25:51,120
think

3427
02:25:55,030 --> 02:25:53,439
uh we just have a couple of minutes uh

3428
02:25:56,389 --> 02:25:55,040
left nick and and thank you so much

3429
02:25:57,590 --> 02:25:56,399
another great show another great

3430
02:26:00,870 --> 02:25:57,600
conversation

3431
02:26:03,110 --> 02:26:00,880
do you think that uh the

3432
02:26:04,550 --> 02:26:03,120
different agencies including the fbi and

3433
02:26:06,469 --> 02:26:04,560
you have the lapd

3434
02:26:09,030 --> 02:26:06,479
which you know this happened in la

3435
02:26:13,110 --> 02:26:09,040
county but then reaching out beyond that

3436
02:26:17,830 --> 02:26:13,120
other agencies um that they did find

3437
02:26:21,830 --> 02:26:17,840
a conclusive proof of a relationship

3438
02:26:23,830 --> 02:26:21,840
of of any between the three of them

3439
02:26:26,070 --> 02:26:23,840
but that was going to stay buried there

3440
02:26:29,670 --> 02:26:26,080
was no way that this was going to come

3441
02:26:32,309 --> 02:26:29,680
to the surface and may never

3442
02:26:34,150 --> 02:26:32,319
no i mean whether you know the we don't

3443
02:26:37,110 --> 02:26:34,160
know the extent of it all

3444
02:26:38,469 --> 02:26:37,120
there's very very little doubt among any

3445
02:26:40,870 --> 02:26:38,479
of the researchers

3446
02:26:42,870 --> 02:26:40,880
you know there's very doubts uh small

3447
02:26:45,990 --> 02:26:42,880
doubt if a doubt at all

3448
02:26:47,830 --> 02:26:46,000
um about the issue of

3449
02:26:49,270 --> 02:26:47,840
did she have an affair with the two of

3450
02:26:52,550 --> 02:26:49,280
them well

3451
02:26:53,510 --> 02:26:52,560
yes she did um what we don't know is the

3452
02:26:57,030 --> 02:26:53,520
extent

3453
02:27:00,630 --> 02:26:57,040
on the part of both brothers jfk

3454
02:27:03,830 --> 02:27:00,640
a minor amount um rfk

3455
02:27:06,230 --> 02:27:03,840
you know much more so and

3456
02:27:07,590 --> 02:27:06,240
as i said if you go through the fbi's

3457
02:27:11,429 --> 02:27:07,600
file at the um

3458
02:27:14,150 --> 02:27:11,439
at the fbi's website which is vault.gov

3459
02:27:14,870 --> 02:27:14,160
click on the pdf file on marilyn and

3460
02:27:18,309 --> 02:27:14,880
you'll see

3461
02:27:21,349 --> 02:27:18,319
all of these rumors being sent to

3462
02:27:22,550 --> 02:27:21,359
um hover by various special agents of

3463
02:27:24,790 --> 02:27:22,560
the fbi

3464
02:27:26,710 --> 02:27:24,800
around the country every time one of

3465
02:27:30,309 --> 02:27:26,720
these rumors surfaced again

3466
02:27:32,230 --> 02:27:30,319
it was quickly sent to hoover so

3467
02:27:33,910 --> 02:27:32,240
you know that what whether or not the

3468
02:27:36,870 --> 02:27:33,920
stories or all of them

3469
02:27:38,550 --> 02:27:36,880
were true or not the fact is it would

3470
02:27:41,110 --> 02:27:38,560
see was you know kind of like

3471
02:27:43,030 --> 02:27:41,120
dirt kind of never goes away you know

3472
02:27:46,070 --> 02:27:43,040
mud sticks that kind of thing

3473
02:27:48,309 --> 02:27:46,080
it was a case of well maybe

3474
02:27:49,910 --> 02:27:48,319
some of the stories are true maybe some

3475
02:27:51,349 --> 02:27:49,920
of them were exaggerated but the

3476
02:27:54,230 --> 02:27:51,359
important thing is

3477
02:27:54,790 --> 02:27:54,240
if the story gets out it's just gonna

3478
02:27:57,910 --> 02:27:54,800
get

3479
02:27:59,190 --> 02:27:57,920
escalated even more so that was one of

3480
02:28:01,750 --> 02:27:59,200
the main reasons

3481
02:28:02,630 --> 02:28:01,760
they just wanted the whole thing put

3482
02:28:06,389 --> 02:28:02,640
away

3483
02:28:10,230 --> 02:28:06,399
now if there was one person out of this

3484
02:28:12,710 --> 02:28:10,240
entire circle that knew everything

3485
02:28:14,630 --> 02:28:12,720
that would have been peter lawford right

3486
02:28:16,710 --> 02:28:14,640
in that maryland would have confided

3487
02:28:19,590 --> 02:28:16,720
that was her best friend

3488
02:28:19,990 --> 02:28:19,600
he was there with her constantly and if

3489
02:28:22,070 --> 02:28:20,000
she

3490
02:28:23,030 --> 02:28:22,080
talked to anybody it would have been

3491
02:28:25,670 --> 02:28:23,040
peter right

3492
02:28:28,790 --> 02:28:25,680
that's my opinion i think he was the one

3493
02:28:31,270 --> 02:28:28,800
that was the keeper of all the secrets

3494
02:28:33,750 --> 02:28:31,280
well yeah peter lawford at that site at

3495
02:28:37,270 --> 02:28:33,760
that particular time a very successful

3496
02:28:38,790 --> 02:28:37,280
um actor uh did a lot of movies um with

3497
02:28:41,830 --> 02:28:38,800
frank sinatra

3498
02:28:43,990 --> 02:28:41,840
and um but yes if you read

3499
02:28:46,710 --> 02:28:44,000
again the files you know and one

3500
02:28:50,230 --> 02:28:46,720
particular file that talks about how

3501
02:28:53,110 --> 02:28:50,240
peter lawford pretty much knew the

3502
02:28:54,389 --> 02:28:53,120
the the full story of what happened and

3503
02:28:56,790 --> 02:28:54,399
why it had to be done

3504
02:28:59,110 --> 02:28:56,800
now that doesn't mean that he knew

3505
02:29:02,710 --> 02:28:59,120
anything about the ufo angle

3506
02:29:04,790 --> 02:29:02,720
but it does suggest that he knew

3507
02:29:05,830 --> 02:29:04,800
that something was going to happen

3508
02:29:08,230 --> 02:29:05,840
because

3509
02:29:09,190 --> 02:29:08,240
uh to them at least marilyn was becoming

3510
02:29:12,550 --> 02:29:09,200
more and more

3511
02:29:14,309 --> 02:29:12,560
of a liability um for the governments

3512
02:29:15,510 --> 02:29:14,319
but i mean the terrible thing is you

3513
02:29:19,429 --> 02:29:15,520
know it's not

3514
02:29:21,670 --> 02:29:19,439
somebody's um right to dictate

3515
02:29:23,510 --> 02:29:21,680
you know whether somebody lives or dies

3516
02:29:25,110 --> 02:29:23,520
you know yeah that's right and

3517
02:29:26,550 --> 02:29:25,120
you know i've always looked you know

3518
02:29:28,389 --> 02:29:26,560
through all of this and i've read all

3519
02:29:29,590 --> 02:29:28,399
the books right i've read every angle

3520
02:29:32,150 --> 02:29:29,600
including yours

3521
02:29:33,349 --> 02:29:32,160
and i always come back to peter what did

3522
02:29:34,950 --> 02:29:33,359
he know

3523
02:29:37,590 --> 02:29:34,960
you know and you think about all through

3524
02:29:39,750 --> 02:29:37,600
the 60s and 70s and his appearances on

3525
02:29:41,510 --> 02:29:39,760
tv and his career and everything else

3526
02:29:44,230 --> 02:29:41,520
and you just go back and think about

3527
02:29:47,270 --> 02:29:44,240
what what he had gone through

3528
02:29:50,550 --> 02:29:47,280
and what was it that he actually

3529
02:29:52,070 --> 02:29:50,560
knew and i think peter lawford is is but

3530
02:29:55,349 --> 02:29:52,080
he's no longer you know

3531
02:29:56,309 --> 02:29:55,359
the list of people that knew that are no

3532
02:29:58,550 --> 02:29:56,319
longer with us

3533
02:30:01,270 --> 02:29:58,560
it's all the key individuals in this

3534
02:30:03,349 --> 02:30:01,280
entire saga

3535
02:30:05,030 --> 02:30:03,359
yeah and i think the problem today of

3536
02:30:08,230 --> 02:30:05,040
course is that just about

3537
02:30:08,950 --> 02:30:08,240
everybody who was around is not around

3538
02:30:14,710 --> 02:30:08,960
now

3539
02:30:16,230 --> 02:30:14,720
so one of the reasons i wrote the book

3540
02:30:19,670 --> 02:30:16,240
was partly to see

3541
02:30:20,630 --> 02:30:19,680
if it might actually bring new people to

3542
02:30:21,990 --> 02:30:20,640
come forward

3543
02:30:24,150 --> 02:30:22,000
you know that's one of the good things

3544
02:30:25,670 --> 02:30:24,160
sometimes of writing a book is that

3545
02:30:28,070 --> 02:30:25,680
you know somebody may come out of the

3546
02:30:30,830 --> 02:30:28,080
shadows and say hey you know i've got

3547
02:30:32,630 --> 02:30:30,840
abc of this you know that kind of

3548
02:30:35,510 --> 02:30:32,640
situation um

3549
02:30:36,309 --> 02:30:35,520
i mean sometimes you know it's it's a

3550
02:30:37,990 --> 02:30:36,319
long chance

3551
02:30:40,070 --> 02:30:38,000
and you may not get anything but then

3552
02:30:43,590 --> 02:30:40,080
again you just might

3553
02:30:46,309 --> 02:30:43,600
and you know the the more

3554
02:30:47,429 --> 02:30:46,319
even just a little tidbit here or there

3555
02:30:49,670 --> 02:30:47,439
i mean

3556
02:30:51,190 --> 02:30:49,680
could really open the thing wide open

3557
02:30:51,590 --> 02:30:51,200
and that's one of the important things i

3558
02:30:54,389 --> 02:30:51,600
have

3559
02:30:55,030 --> 02:30:54,399
you know governments work sometimes you

3560
02:30:57,270 --> 02:30:55,040
know

3561
02:30:58,309 --> 02:30:57,280
government agencies when they think

3562
02:31:00,150 --> 02:30:58,319
they've got

3563
02:31:02,469 --> 02:31:00,160
you know secrets locked down sometimes

3564
02:31:04,870 --> 02:31:02,479
they haven't i mean you look at the nsa

3565
02:31:06,230 --> 02:31:04,880
national security agency one of the most

3566
02:31:09,349 --> 02:31:06,240
secure

3567
02:31:12,550 --> 02:31:09,359
facilities and yet um

3568
02:31:15,510 --> 02:31:12,560
edward snowden was able to get out

3569
02:31:17,349 --> 02:31:15,520
and essentially hand over you know all

3570
02:31:20,150 --> 02:31:17,359
those documentation

3571
02:31:21,830 --> 02:31:20,160
that was handed over and that happened

3572
02:31:25,030 --> 02:31:21,840
partly because

3573
02:31:28,389 --> 02:31:25,040
uh sometimes agencies do not

3574
02:31:30,150 --> 02:31:28,399
foresee what might happen and

3575
02:31:31,830 --> 02:31:30,160
i think that could have been kind of a

3576
02:31:35,750 --> 02:31:31,840
parallel with marilyn

3577
02:31:39,030 --> 02:31:35,760
that um something happened that no one

3578
02:31:41,830 --> 02:31:39,040
could ever imagine could happen

3579
02:31:43,750 --> 02:31:41,840
you know the connection between the

3580
02:31:47,910 --> 02:31:43,760
kennedys and marilyn

3581
02:31:50,790 --> 02:31:47,920
and them recklessly telling her secrets

3582
02:31:52,230 --> 02:31:50,800
and then she decides to blow the whistle

3583
02:31:55,670 --> 02:31:52,240
you know you could never imagine

3584
02:31:58,309 --> 02:31:55,680
having all that happen and yet

3585
02:32:00,469 --> 02:31:58,319
situations like that in politics

3586
02:32:02,710 --> 02:32:00,479
actually do happen so

3587
02:32:04,469 --> 02:32:02,720
thank you so much nick another great

3588
02:32:07,750 --> 02:32:04,479
night with you on the show

3589
02:32:11,030 --> 02:32:07,760
what's your next project what do you

3590
02:32:12,469 --> 02:32:11,040
you you are always writing what's coming

3591
02:32:15,030 --> 02:32:12,479
up next

3592
02:32:15,510 --> 02:32:15,040
um well i've got another book that comes

3593
02:32:19,990 --> 02:32:15,520
out

3594
02:32:22,150 --> 02:32:20,000
october i don't think it's been actually

3595
02:32:23,190 --> 02:32:22,160
planned yet but it's um it's sort of an

3596
02:32:24,870 --> 02:32:23,200
a to z

3597
02:32:27,030 --> 02:32:24,880
book on everything to do with time

3598
02:32:30,469 --> 02:32:27,040
travel oh

3599
02:32:32,309 --> 02:32:30,479
man perfect thank you so much nick be

3600
02:32:35,030 --> 02:32:32,319
safe out there my friend

3601
02:32:35,830 --> 02:32:35,040
you too jimmy you're the best nick

3602
02:32:39,429 --> 02:32:35,840
redfearn

3603
02:32:41,670 --> 02:32:39,439
and the new book is diary of secrets

3604
02:32:42,469 --> 02:32:41,680
ufo conspiracies and the mysterious

3605
02:32:44,950 --> 02:32:42,479
death of

3606
02:32:46,150 --> 02:32:44,960
marilyn monroe i have read the book it's

3607
02:32:47,830 --> 02:32:46,160
an incredible read

3608
02:32:50,389 --> 02:32:47,840
you've got to go and get yours and of

3609
02:32:54,230 --> 02:32:50,399
course everything nick related is

3610
02:32:56,630 --> 02:32:54,240
over at nickredfernfordian.blogspot.com

3611
02:32:57,990 --> 02:32:56,640
and the links for that are over at jimmy

3612
02:33:17,750 --> 02:32:58,000
church radio i'm going to take a quick

3613
02:33:21,990 --> 02:33:20,070
hey what up y'all biblical fox here and

3614
02:33:27,190 --> 02:33:22,000
you are listening to my boy

3615
02:33:34,150 --> 02:33:30,469
despite popular opinion reading a book

3616
02:33:38,230 --> 02:33:34,160
will not make you smarter

3617
02:33:43,030 --> 02:33:40,550
this is jimmy church and i'll be at the

3618
02:33:43,550 --> 02:33:43,040
ufo megacon this june 6th through the

3619
02:33:47,510 --> 02:33:43,560
12th

3620
02:33:48,230 --> 02:33:47,520
2021 in laughlin nevada the laughlin ufo

3621
02:33:51,030 --> 02:33:48,240
megacon

3622
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it's not a lifestyle we chose we were

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this is kjcr jimmychurchradio.com

3710
02:38:01,590 --> 02:37:58,630
all right welcome back fade to black i

3711
02:38:04,070 --> 02:38:01,600
am your host jimmy church

3712
02:38:05,349 --> 02:38:04,080
thank you nick redfearn both books are

3713
02:38:08,550 --> 02:38:05,359
incredible

3714
02:38:11,750 --> 02:38:08,560
um i've got them here just

3715
02:38:15,270 --> 02:38:11,760
you've got to check them both out the um

3716
02:38:15,990 --> 02:38:15,280
uh the martians book what what i found

3717
02:38:18,950 --> 02:38:16,000
so

3718
02:38:20,389 --> 02:38:18,960
great about it i mean it nick has

3719
02:38:24,469 --> 02:38:20,399
compiled

3720
02:38:26,309 --> 02:38:24,479
the history behind life on mars and and

3721
02:38:29,190 --> 02:38:26,319
where it started and the public

3722
02:38:29,590 --> 02:38:29,200
reactions to it and compiled straight

3723
02:38:32,150 --> 02:38:29,600
through

3724
02:38:34,150 --> 02:38:32,160
chronologically it's it's very very well

3725
02:38:37,270 --> 02:38:34,160
it's a great read it's great read

3726
02:38:38,950 --> 02:38:37,280
um all the way through to today so that

3727
02:38:40,389 --> 02:38:38,960
that is a book that everybody should

3728
02:38:41,030 --> 02:38:40,399
just check out it's a great reference

3729
02:38:43,110 --> 02:38:41,040
book

3730
02:38:44,630 --> 02:38:43,120
uh too as well and then of course the

3731
02:38:48,309 --> 02:38:44,640
new book

3732
02:38:51,670 --> 02:38:48,319
diary of secrets um about marilyn

3733
02:38:53,349 --> 02:38:51,680
this is um and again nick is

3734
02:38:55,190 --> 02:38:53,359
just such a great writer in the way that

3735
02:38:59,270 --> 02:38:55,200
he presents it but

3736
02:39:02,710 --> 02:38:59,280
this book i intentionally tonight

3737
02:39:04,389 --> 02:39:02,720
um kept out uh

3738
02:39:05,750 --> 02:39:04,399
there are reasons to go and get the book

3739
02:39:09,110 --> 02:39:05,760
you've got to do it

3740
02:39:11,590 --> 02:39:09,120
um i i kept everything out i few juicy

3741
02:39:15,110 --> 02:39:11,600
parts to this but the story itself

3742
02:39:16,070 --> 02:39:15,120
is just so compelling and uh the book is

3743
02:39:19,270 --> 02:39:16,080
a great read

3744
02:39:22,469 --> 02:39:19,280
and and it it dives deep it's got

3745
02:39:22,950 --> 02:39:22,479
everybody in it and referenced it's well

3746
02:39:26,309 --> 02:39:22,960
done

3747
02:39:27,190 --> 02:39:26,319
a lot about uh uh too as well uh there's

3748
02:39:30,309 --> 02:39:27,200
some

3749
02:39:32,710 --> 02:39:30,319
uh a lot of knowledge about

3750
02:39:33,510 --> 02:39:32,720
the space programs both here and in

3751
02:39:35,349 --> 02:39:33,520
russia

3752
02:39:38,389 --> 02:39:35,359
that were going on at the same time and

3753
02:39:41,830 --> 02:39:38,399
you see this together in a linear sense

3754
02:39:43,910 --> 02:39:41,840
on how it's uh it's all related it's

3755
02:39:45,270 --> 02:39:43,920
it's a very well done book it's very

3756
02:39:46,870 --> 02:39:45,280
well researched

3757
02:39:48,870 --> 02:39:46,880
so everybody should check it out and

3758
02:39:50,790 --> 02:39:48,880
that's right that that diary is missing

3759
02:39:52,830 --> 02:39:50,800
the diary of secrets

3760
02:39:54,469 --> 02:39:52,840
so there you go the links are over at

3761
02:39:57,349 --> 02:39:54,479
jimmychurchradio.com thank you nick

3762
02:39:59,990 --> 02:39:57,359
another great night on the air oh

3763
02:40:02,710 --> 02:40:00,000
something happened in twitter tonight

3764
02:40:04,309 --> 02:40:02,720
i was getting ready to post uh the

3765
02:40:04,710 --> 02:40:04,319
picture of nick wearing his fade to

3766
02:40:07,910 --> 02:40:04,720
black

3767
02:40:09,590 --> 02:40:07,920
shirt and right as i was uh putting all

3768
02:40:10,790 --> 02:40:09,600
of that together if you were watching on

3769
02:40:12,630 --> 02:40:10,800
youtube you saw

3770
02:40:14,070 --> 02:40:12,640
or watching the video you saw this

3771
02:40:17,349 --> 02:40:14,080
happen in real time

3772
02:40:18,389 --> 02:40:17,359
uh mark tarana over in uh australia

3773
02:40:21,750 --> 02:40:18,399
posted

3774
02:40:24,870 --> 02:40:21,760
the picture as i was clicking

3775
02:40:26,630 --> 02:40:24,880
go and they both launched at the same

3776
02:40:28,710 --> 02:40:26,640
time i was like man mark

3777
02:40:30,309 --> 02:40:28,720
how did you know i was going to do that

3778
02:40:32,469 --> 02:40:30,319
and i remember

3779
02:40:34,950 --> 02:40:32,479
uh mark pulled it from my original

3780
02:40:37,510 --> 02:40:34,960
facebook post from years ago

3781
02:40:38,550 --> 02:40:37,520
um and the line that i used i remember

3782
02:40:40,950 --> 02:40:38,560
that nick

3783
02:40:42,630 --> 02:40:40,960
sporting his colors but it was really

3784
02:40:43,510 --> 02:40:42,640
funny how that happened right at the

3785
02:40:45,830 --> 02:40:43,520
same time i

3786
02:40:46,550 --> 02:40:45,840
i totally dig it uh when that kind of

3787
02:40:49,830 --> 02:40:46,560
stuff happens

3788
02:40:52,230 --> 02:40:49,840
so anyway there's nick in the

3789
02:40:53,830 --> 02:40:52,240
sandbox feed wearing his fade to black

3790
02:40:55,269 --> 02:40:53,840
shirt it's just classic

3791
02:40:56,950 --> 02:40:55,279
all right with that i've opened up the

3792
02:40:57,910 --> 02:40:56,960
phone line seven four seven two two

3793
02:41:00,870 --> 02:40:57,920
eight two zero five

3794
02:41:02,070 --> 02:41:00,880
one again no fader night this week uh no

3795
02:41:04,630 --> 02:41:02,080
show on thursday

3796
02:41:07,190 --> 02:41:04,640
night and i doubt there's not even going

3797
02:41:10,309 --> 02:41:07,200
to be a replay

3798
02:41:12,309 --> 02:41:10,319
that's it nothing is going to happen on

3799
02:41:14,150 --> 02:41:12,319
thursday night okay i'll be traveling

3800
02:41:16,630 --> 02:41:14,160
i'll be on the road heading back to

3801
02:41:17,910 --> 02:41:16,640
indianapolis let's get to the phones

3802
02:41:19,349 --> 02:41:17,920
let's see who's up first

3803
02:41:21,190 --> 02:41:19,359
hi you're live on fade to black who's

3804
02:41:23,830 --> 02:41:21,200
calling

3805
02:41:25,510 --> 02:41:23,840
so anyway there's me okay you gotta turn

3806
02:41:26,790 --> 02:41:25,520
me down in the background i'm just gonna

3807
02:41:30,230 --> 02:41:26,800
say this one time

3808
02:41:31,429 --> 02:41:30,240
turn me down in the background okay

3809
02:41:34,950 --> 02:41:31,439
that's it

3810
02:41:38,950 --> 02:41:34,960
blown out uh

3811
02:41:41,269 --> 02:41:38,960
that easily you gotta be ready

3812
02:41:43,990 --> 02:41:41,279
folks you gotta be ready you gotta be

3813
02:41:45,990 --> 02:41:44,000
right you're listening to the show and

3814
02:41:46,630 --> 02:41:46,000
you're on the phone you're listening to

3815
02:41:49,349 --> 02:41:46,640
the show

3816
02:41:49,830 --> 02:41:49,359
on the phone you know i'm getting ready

3817
02:41:53,510 --> 02:41:49,840
to go

3818
02:41:56,550 --> 02:41:53,520
hey you're live who's up you got to be

3819
02:42:00,790 --> 02:41:56,560
ready you got to be ready okay hold

3820
02:42:05,030 --> 02:42:03,190
you've got to be ready don't play around

3821
02:42:11,030 --> 02:42:05,040
you've got to be

3822
02:42:13,030 --> 02:42:11,040
ready 747-228-2051

3823
02:42:15,830 --> 02:42:13,040
let's see who's up next hi you're live

3824
02:42:18,630 --> 02:42:15,840
i'm fade to black are you ready

3825
02:42:19,429 --> 02:42:18,640
i'm very ready hi jimmy it's carrie in

3826
02:42:23,830 --> 02:42:19,439
palm springs

3827
02:42:27,030 --> 02:42:23,840
you're fast becoming you know like our

3828
02:42:32,790 --> 02:42:30,309
wow that's a huge compliment wow

3829
02:42:33,990 --> 02:42:32,800
oh yeah when when are you going to come

3830
02:42:35,590 --> 02:42:34,000
to a conference so

3831
02:42:37,030 --> 02:42:35,600
uh you can hang out with the rest of the

3832
02:42:39,110 --> 02:42:37,040
fader knots

3833
02:42:41,030 --> 02:42:39,120
you know there's a chance that i might

3834
02:42:44,630 --> 02:42:41,040
come to ufo megacon

3835
02:42:47,269 --> 02:42:44,640
in laughlin not 100 sure

3836
02:42:48,469 --> 02:42:47,279
but i i'm gonna try and make at least a

3837
02:42:50,630 --> 02:42:48,479
day or two of it

3838
02:42:51,590 --> 02:42:50,640
it's right down the street from palm

3839
02:42:54,550 --> 02:42:51,600
springs

3840
02:42:55,590 --> 02:42:54,560
i know i know i mean now that you've

3841
02:42:58,710 --> 02:42:55,600
said that

3842
02:43:00,790 --> 02:42:58,720
really don't have an excuse

3843
02:43:01,750 --> 02:43:00,800
so there you go oh you're gonna hold me

3844
02:43:05,429 --> 02:43:01,760
to it right

3845
02:43:07,670 --> 02:43:05,439
all right so what's on your mind well

3846
02:43:08,550 --> 02:43:07,680
jimmy first of all you know i just want

3847
02:43:11,429 --> 02:43:08,560
you to know

3848
02:43:12,950 --> 02:43:11,439
that all of your fader family is

3849
02:43:15,990 --> 02:43:12,960
thinking of you

3850
02:43:16,710 --> 02:43:16,000
holding you close in our prayers and in

3851
02:43:19,670 --> 02:43:16,720
our hearts

3852
02:43:20,870 --> 02:43:19,680
and you know we just we're here for you

3853
02:43:21,670 --> 02:43:20,880
with everything you're going through

3854
02:43:24,790 --> 02:43:21,680
with your dad

3855
02:43:26,950 --> 02:43:24,800
and we just want to extend love peace

3856
02:43:27,990 --> 02:43:26,960
healing and that we're here for you lean

3857
02:43:31,190 --> 02:43:28,000
on us please

3858
02:43:32,950 --> 02:43:31,200
all right thank you for that and uh you

3859
02:43:35,670 --> 02:43:32,960
know my intention

3860
02:43:36,070 --> 02:43:35,680
uh was to stay positive in the show

3861
02:43:39,269 --> 02:43:36,080
because

3862
02:43:41,990 --> 02:43:39,279
i can let my mind go uh

3863
02:43:44,070 --> 02:43:42,000
to a place that you know what and that's

3864
02:43:46,389 --> 02:43:44,080
just gonna bum everybody out

3865
02:43:49,429 --> 02:43:46,399
so thank you thank you for that i

3866
02:43:52,630 --> 02:43:49,439
appreciate that and i know you mean it

3867
02:43:56,630 --> 02:43:52,640
let's move on but my dad hears you

3868
02:43:58,790 --> 02:43:56,640
okay my family hears you and uh

3869
02:44:00,630 --> 02:43:58,800
there you go okay so uh what'd you think

3870
02:44:02,950 --> 02:44:00,640
of the show tonight

3871
02:44:05,429 --> 02:44:02,960
i thought it was awesome nick redfern

3872
02:44:07,030 --> 02:44:05,439
wow what it you know he's so amazing

3873
02:44:10,150 --> 02:44:07,040
he's so talented because

3874
02:44:10,870 --> 02:44:10,160
he can go martians mars and marilyn

3875
02:44:13,830 --> 02:44:10,880
monroe

3876
02:44:15,590 --> 02:44:13,840
ufo connection i mean that's just like

3877
02:44:18,630 --> 02:44:15,600
that's a wide sweep

3878
02:44:21,110 --> 02:44:18,640
and um you know kudos to

3879
02:44:22,469 --> 02:44:21,120
redfern because he's really he's really

3880
02:44:26,070 --> 02:44:22,479
bringing it

3881
02:44:28,469 --> 02:44:26,080
i i think those pictures that show

3882
02:44:29,590 --> 02:44:28,479
all of the artifacts on mars are really

3883
02:44:33,349 --> 02:44:29,600
remarkable

3884
02:44:36,630 --> 02:44:33,359
and my deep feeling is that

3885
02:44:37,670 --> 02:44:36,640
there was some sort of catastrophe that

3886
02:44:40,870 --> 02:44:37,680
happened

3887
02:44:43,510 --> 02:44:40,880
on mars i don't know how long ago

3888
02:44:44,550 --> 02:44:43,520
you know that really wiped out that

3889
02:44:48,309 --> 02:44:44,560
civilization

3890
02:44:51,349 --> 02:44:48,319
but i feel sort of this intuitive

3891
02:44:54,710 --> 02:44:51,359
connection between ancient

3892
02:44:56,230 --> 02:44:54,720
mars artifacts and dwellers with the

3893
02:44:59,110 --> 02:44:56,240
ancient egyptians

3894
02:45:01,030 --> 02:44:59,120
i don't know i feel this just connection

3895
02:45:01,429 --> 02:45:01,040
and i i could be way off but i really

3896
02:45:05,030 --> 02:45:01,439
think

3897
02:45:05,670 --> 02:45:05,040
that you know nasa is going to find

3898
02:45:08,230 --> 02:45:05,680
something

3899
02:45:08,710 --> 02:45:08,240
and it's you know you follow the money

3900
02:45:11,990 --> 02:45:08,720
that's

3901
02:45:13,830 --> 02:45:12,000
why everybody's going to mars right

3902
02:45:15,670 --> 02:45:13,840
that's why elon musk is going to bars

3903
02:45:18,309 --> 02:45:15,680
that's why china's going to mars

3904
02:45:19,990 --> 02:45:18,319
that's why we have you know the umpteen

3905
02:45:23,110 --> 02:45:20,000
rover up there

3906
02:45:25,190 --> 02:45:23,120
follow the money they're not going

3907
02:45:26,389 --> 02:45:25,200
to other planets they're going to mars

3908
02:45:29,670 --> 02:45:26,399
because they know

3909
02:45:32,389 --> 02:45:29,680
something's there it's undeniable

3910
02:45:33,349 --> 02:45:32,399
the little crab creature the faces the

3911
02:45:35,349 --> 02:45:33,359
pyramid

3912
02:45:37,429 --> 02:45:35,359
i think it's just like look at your

3913
02:45:38,070 --> 02:45:37,439
calendar and count down the days and the

3914
02:45:40,469 --> 02:45:38,080
minutes

3915
02:45:41,349 --> 02:45:40,479
they're going to announce something they

3916
02:45:49,030 --> 02:45:41,359
are

3917
02:45:52,309 --> 02:45:49,040
uh and i say this with um

3918
02:45:55,110 --> 02:45:52,319
uh a very cocky attitude

3919
02:45:56,630 --> 02:45:55,120
when i when i say this and that is when

3920
02:45:59,750 --> 02:45:56,640
i look at the high def

3921
02:46:00,870 --> 02:45:59,760
images all over mars you know the high

3922
02:46:03,269 --> 02:46:00,880
def stuff

3923
02:46:05,269 --> 02:46:03,279
not the low def i'm not you know you

3924
02:46:08,550 --> 02:46:05,279
look at the high def stuff

3925
02:46:12,550 --> 02:46:08,560
and i see things

3926
02:46:15,590 --> 02:46:12,560
and it's it's not natural things it just

3927
02:46:18,630 --> 02:46:15,600
looks um

3928
02:46:19,510 --> 02:46:18,640
civilized i i don't know how else to put

3929
02:46:23,269 --> 02:46:19,520
it there was

3930
02:46:24,150 --> 02:46:23,279
a one picture um and this was a number

3931
02:46:27,190 --> 02:46:24,160
of years ago

3932
02:46:28,389 --> 02:46:27,200
and and it's on curiosity um from

3933
02:46:31,910 --> 02:46:28,399
curiosity

3934
02:46:33,349 --> 02:46:31,920
the middle of this valley and you see

3935
02:46:36,469 --> 02:46:33,359
these two mountain

3936
02:46:39,510 --> 02:46:36,479
walls on each side and i and

3937
02:46:43,590 --> 02:46:39,520
on the right side of this image

3938
02:46:47,750 --> 02:46:43,600
up on the this this wall

3939
02:46:51,269 --> 02:46:47,760
and there is a couple of buildings there

3940
02:46:54,790 --> 02:46:51,279
and one of them uh

3941
02:46:57,990 --> 02:46:54,800
had it like a round circle

3942
02:47:01,510 --> 02:46:58,000
above it uh uh this this spherical thing

3943
02:47:03,269 --> 02:47:01,520
anyway i had said and i wasn't joking

3944
02:47:04,230 --> 02:47:03,279
about this if i was walking through the

3945
02:47:07,429 --> 02:47:04,240
desert

3946
02:47:11,990 --> 02:47:07,439
and i've got no food i've got no water

3947
02:47:13,510 --> 02:47:12,000
and i need a hope of a direction to walk

3948
02:47:16,710 --> 02:47:13,520
towards

3949
02:47:19,990 --> 02:47:16,720
you know to to to hopefully

3950
02:47:23,349 --> 02:47:20,000
rescue myself i'm looking at this

3951
02:47:26,630 --> 02:47:23,359
that's where i'm going i'm going to that

3952
02:47:29,910 --> 02:47:26,640
on the side of this hill i'm going up to

3953
02:47:33,269 --> 02:47:29,920
that because that is a building

3954
02:47:36,630 --> 02:47:33,279
and you can see it it is clear it is

3955
02:47:38,550 --> 02:47:36,640
it's something you know and it's not uh

3956
02:47:40,309 --> 02:47:38,560
it's not some i i don't care what

3957
02:47:41,510 --> 02:47:40,319
anybody says it's not a natural

3958
02:47:44,630 --> 02:47:41,520
formation

3959
02:47:46,870 --> 02:47:44,640
that was built you know and and that's

3960
02:47:49,349 --> 02:47:46,880
my take and i'm very cocky when i say

3961
02:47:52,710 --> 02:47:49,359
that i am being very assertive

3962
02:47:54,389 --> 02:47:52,720
here in in what i am suggesting

3963
02:47:55,990 --> 02:47:54,399
you know that's where i'm walking

3964
02:47:59,190 --> 02:47:56,000
towards i'm walking towards

3965
02:48:02,630 --> 02:47:59,200
that and i don't even know what it is

3966
02:48:06,150 --> 02:48:02,640
but that to me is gonna save me

3967
02:48:08,550 --> 02:48:06,160
whatever that is in the image

3968
02:48:09,670 --> 02:48:08,560
i mean i think there's just like rock

3969
02:48:12,070 --> 02:48:09,680
rock chaos

3970
02:48:13,030 --> 02:48:12,080
chaos suddenly an organized structure

3971
02:48:17,190 --> 02:48:13,040
you know

3972
02:48:21,110 --> 02:48:17,200
hundreds of feet of

3973
02:48:23,510 --> 02:48:21,120
dust and rock and debris covering

3974
02:48:24,710 --> 02:48:23,520
these ancient civilizations there

3975
02:48:26,630 --> 02:48:24,720
because

3976
02:48:28,230 --> 02:48:26,640
you know we're seeing peaks of them and

3977
02:48:29,030 --> 02:48:28,240
just like the tip of the iceberg they're

3978
02:48:32,469 --> 02:48:29,040
just like

3979
02:48:35,830 --> 02:48:32,479
you know sparse pieces of these

3980
02:48:39,030 --> 02:48:35,840
unmistakable uh artifacts

3981
02:48:41,110 --> 02:48:39,040
and so it's extremely exciting they

3982
02:48:43,269 --> 02:48:41,120
should have

3983
02:48:45,429 --> 02:48:43,279
right right they need to have ground

3984
02:48:48,630 --> 02:48:45,439
penetrating radar

3985
02:48:51,349 --> 02:48:48,640
um uh right now uh

3986
02:48:53,190 --> 02:48:51,359
and and and get it done and quit playing

3987
02:48:55,269 --> 02:48:53,200
around we have the technology we are

3988
02:48:58,150 --> 02:48:55,279
able to do it that's done

3989
02:48:59,349 --> 02:48:58,160
and uh the next uh helicopter that goes

3990
02:49:02,710 --> 02:48:59,359
to mars

3991
02:49:03,190 --> 02:49:02,720
it better be big and it better have some

3992
02:49:06,550 --> 02:49:03,200
ground

3993
02:49:09,910 --> 02:49:06,560
penetrating radar on it and let's go

3994
02:49:12,630 --> 02:49:09,920
uh not some little pocket-sized drone

3995
02:49:13,910 --> 02:49:12,640
no we need you know let's let's send

3996
02:49:16,710 --> 02:49:13,920
something there

3997
02:49:17,110 --> 02:49:16,720
something big and and you know the other

3998
02:49:20,550 --> 02:49:17,120
part

3999
02:49:23,990 --> 02:49:20,560
uh carrie before i let you go um

4000
02:49:27,110 --> 02:49:24,000
why aren't they going

4001
02:49:28,870 --> 02:49:27,120
to where the water is we know that

4002
02:49:29,429 --> 02:49:28,880
there's snow caps and i know that some

4003
02:49:32,469 --> 02:49:29,439
of this

4004
02:49:34,790 --> 02:49:32,479
ice is is carbon dioxide you know

4005
02:49:36,790 --> 02:49:34,800
uh you know it's not you know water ice

4006
02:49:40,230 --> 02:49:36,800
but there's water ice too

4007
02:49:43,670 --> 02:49:40,240
why are we going there

4008
02:49:46,309 --> 02:49:43,680
i don't i i i swear i perplexed

4009
02:49:47,990 --> 02:49:46,319
with like the most fundamental question

4010
02:49:54,790 --> 02:49:48,000
go to where

4011
02:49:55,110 --> 02:49:54,800
that too it doesn't make any sense you

4012
02:50:00,389 --> 02:49:55,120
know

4013
02:50:02,309 --> 02:50:00,399
crabs those giant crabs i guess

4014
02:50:04,389 --> 02:50:02,319
enjoy the rest of your night and i look

4015
02:50:06,550 --> 02:50:04,399
forward to hanging out with you

4016
02:50:07,990 --> 02:50:06,560
uh this june 6th through the 12th right

4017
02:50:10,630 --> 02:50:08,000
there in laughlin nevada

4018
02:50:11,349 --> 02:50:10,640
it's going to be great thank you so much

4019
02:50:16,309 --> 02:50:11,359
thank you

4020
02:50:18,230 --> 02:50:16,319
much carrie in palm springs

4021
02:50:19,429 --> 02:50:18,240
and uh that's a that's a great

4022
02:50:22,950 --> 02:50:19,439
conversation there

4023
02:50:25,750 --> 02:50:22,960
i i agree with her you look at some

4024
02:50:27,190 --> 02:50:25,760
you you look at the face hugger image

4025
02:50:29,990 --> 02:50:27,200
that facehugger image

4026
02:50:30,870 --> 02:50:30,000
is incredible i don't know what it is

4027
02:50:32,870 --> 02:50:30,880
but that's

4028
02:50:33,990 --> 02:50:32,880
that's not some natural formation of

4029
02:50:37,269 --> 02:50:34,000
rocks

4030
02:50:39,830 --> 02:50:37,279
you know no it's not it and and

4031
02:50:40,870 --> 02:50:39,840
i'm i'm not going there i don't have to

4032
02:50:43,830 --> 02:50:40,880
the facehugger

4033
02:50:45,110 --> 02:50:43,840
shows something very organic and it

4034
02:50:47,590 --> 02:50:45,120
looks like to me

4035
02:50:48,950 --> 02:50:47,600
like it's alive now maybe it's a fossil

4036
02:50:51,590 --> 02:50:48,960
it could be a fossil

4037
02:50:53,030 --> 02:50:51,600
but it's a fossil of a facehugger let's

4038
02:50:56,790 --> 02:50:53,040
go back to the phones hi you're live on

4039
02:51:00,389 --> 02:50:58,870
you're live yes this is kenny river

4040
02:51:04,469 --> 02:51:00,399
timmons from texas

4041
02:51:04,950 --> 02:51:04,479
this is who karen kerber timmons from

4042
02:51:08,150 --> 02:51:04,960
texas

4043
02:51:13,349 --> 02:51:08,160
oh hey how old are you

4044
02:51:17,030 --> 02:51:16,469
uh this is karen kerber timmons and i'm

4045
02:51:20,389 --> 02:51:17,040
the

4046
02:51:23,030 --> 02:51:20,399
sister of kevin kerber who

4047
02:51:25,190 --> 02:51:23,040
passed away three weeks ago this evening

4048
02:51:27,590 --> 02:51:25,200
thank you so much for calling in karen

4049
02:51:31,990 --> 02:51:27,600
this is a surprise call

4050
02:51:35,510 --> 02:51:32,000
um and you guys have a memorial

4051
02:51:37,830 --> 02:51:35,520
uh on the 23rd for kevin

4052
02:51:39,510 --> 02:51:37,840
yes it'll be this sunday at two o'clock

4053
02:51:44,630 --> 02:51:39,520
central time

4054
02:51:48,710 --> 02:51:44,640
and uh how are you in the family doing

4055
02:51:50,950 --> 02:51:48,720
well doing pretty good i actually um

4056
02:51:51,910 --> 02:51:50,960
had a dream the other night on saturday

4057
02:51:54,950 --> 02:51:51,920
and i actually saw

4058
02:51:55,750 --> 02:51:54,960
kevin for a brief moment and what did he

4059
02:52:02,710 --> 02:51:55,760
say

4060
02:52:05,510 --> 02:52:02,720
that look yeah it was it was

4061
02:52:06,469 --> 02:52:05,520
and it was just not a scary thing it was

4062
02:52:10,469 --> 02:52:06,479
just very

4063
02:52:14,550 --> 02:52:10,479
calm and he just faded away

4064
02:52:17,670 --> 02:52:14,560
temporarily wow wow

4065
02:52:20,870 --> 02:52:17,680
um the outpouring of

4066
02:52:24,150 --> 02:52:20,880
of love and friendship and support

4067
02:52:25,030 --> 02:52:24,160
um that that we had for kevin it just

4068
02:52:28,150 --> 02:52:25,040
made me

4069
02:52:31,510 --> 02:52:28,160
feel um you know i i

4070
02:52:33,269 --> 02:52:31,520
only knew kevin for uh a few years

4071
02:52:35,429 --> 02:52:33,279
i felt like we had known each other

4072
02:52:36,950 --> 02:52:35,439
forever but you always do that when you

4073
02:52:40,309 --> 02:52:36,960
have a friend right

4074
02:52:42,150 --> 02:52:40,319
um but but wasn't that just incredible

4075
02:52:45,349 --> 02:52:42,160
to have the fate or not

4076
02:52:48,630 --> 02:52:45,359
uh just make themselves uh

4077
02:52:51,429 --> 02:52:48,640
aware to kevin that uh

4078
02:52:53,190 --> 02:52:51,439
i would just blow them away you did an

4079
02:52:56,230 --> 02:52:53,200
outstanding job jimmy

4080
02:52:57,510 --> 02:52:56,240
and just the different you know the many

4081
02:53:00,070 --> 02:52:57,520
fader knots that came in

4082
02:53:01,030 --> 02:53:00,080
i'm a new one i'm part of the family now

4083
02:53:03,349 --> 02:53:01,040
fade to black

4084
02:53:04,070 --> 02:53:03,359
right out and i just it was just very

4085
02:53:07,990 --> 02:53:04,080
well done

4086
02:53:10,230 --> 02:53:08,000
i mean i i just could not have asked for

4087
02:53:12,230 --> 02:53:10,240
words of encouragement comfort you know

4088
02:53:14,150 --> 02:53:12,240
i laughed i cried

4089
02:53:15,349 --> 02:53:14,160
you know it was just very well done and

4090
02:53:17,349 --> 02:53:15,359
i appreciate

4091
02:53:19,269 --> 02:53:17,359
all that you said and all that you did

4092
02:53:21,750 --> 02:53:19,279
to pull that together it was just

4093
02:53:22,870 --> 02:53:21,760
very very special well and i just want

4094
02:53:26,309 --> 02:53:22,880
to thank you for that

4095
02:53:30,150 --> 02:53:26,319
yeah and and and thank you for that um

4096
02:53:33,349 --> 02:53:30,160
it was it was something that it was

4097
02:53:35,349 --> 02:53:33,359
it was it turned out to be easier

4098
02:53:36,950 --> 02:53:35,359
to do than i thought i didn't think i'd

4099
02:53:39,670 --> 02:53:36,960
be able to get through the show

4100
02:53:40,870 --> 02:53:39,680
right i'm just letting you know i mean

4101
02:53:42,550 --> 02:53:40,880
straight up

4102
02:53:43,990 --> 02:53:42,560
that there is no way i'm going to be

4103
02:53:47,349 --> 02:53:44,000
able to get through this

4104
02:53:51,110 --> 02:53:47,359
but um as the show moved forward

4105
02:53:53,510 --> 02:53:51,120
i found it easy i did i did because

4106
02:53:57,670 --> 02:53:53,520
of the way now i got tears okay thanks

4107
02:54:00,950 --> 02:53:59,349
but as we started to get through the

4108
02:54:03,349 --> 02:54:00,960
show um

4109
02:54:04,630 --> 02:54:03,359
everybody found themselves in in the

4110
02:54:07,990 --> 02:54:04,640
same boat

4111
02:54:11,349 --> 02:54:08,000
um we were profoundly sad

4112
02:54:12,469 --> 02:54:11,359
we were saddened uh it was way too

4113
02:54:15,670 --> 02:54:12,479
sudden

4114
02:54:16,710 --> 02:54:15,680
um we had that last uh phone call with

4115
02:54:19,510 --> 02:54:16,720
kevin and i that

4116
02:54:20,389 --> 02:54:19,520
i have not gone back and listened to uh

4117
02:54:27,910 --> 02:54:20,399
i i i

4118
02:54:30,950 --> 02:54:27,920
it and it was very overwhelming but

4119
02:54:34,230 --> 02:54:30,960
it was so kevin

4120
02:54:36,230 --> 02:54:34,240
and it's just something i want to play

4121
02:54:37,990 --> 02:54:36,240
later on but i actually brought myself

4122
02:54:39,670 --> 02:54:38,000
to be able to do it i didn't think i'd

4123
02:54:42,389 --> 02:54:39,680
be able to but i thought

4124
02:54:42,710 --> 02:54:42,399
i need to listen to that i really do

4125
02:54:49,269 --> 02:54:42,720
right

4126
02:54:51,910 --> 02:54:49,279
i i just couldn't do it i i i don't know

4127
02:54:54,710 --> 02:54:51,920
i'm going to at some point

4128
02:54:55,429 --> 02:54:54,720
um and so many have uh gone and listened

4129
02:54:58,950 --> 02:54:55,439
to it and

4130
02:55:02,790 --> 02:54:58,960
and and told me how they felt about it

4131
02:55:04,309 --> 02:55:02,800
um but uh that was also

4132
02:55:06,870 --> 02:55:04,319
something that i didn't want to do for

4133
02:55:09,110 --> 02:55:06,880
the show that night i could have

4134
02:55:10,469 --> 02:55:09,120
right gone back and you know but that's

4135
02:55:12,150 --> 02:55:10,479
that's not

4136
02:55:13,830 --> 02:55:12,160
that wasn't the spirit of the show the

4137
02:55:15,510 --> 02:55:13,840
spirit of the show was you know what

4138
02:55:18,389 --> 02:55:15,520
let's celebrate the life

4139
02:55:19,510 --> 02:55:18,399
um listening to that we're all gonna go

4140
02:55:22,950 --> 02:55:19,520
into a zone

4141
02:55:25,510 --> 02:55:22,960
right and go wow

4142
02:55:27,510 --> 02:55:25,520
wow that was such a it was such a deep

4143
02:55:30,230 --> 02:55:27,520
conversation it was deep thought

4144
02:55:31,269 --> 02:55:30,240
and i remember him catching me off guard

4145
02:55:34,309 --> 02:55:31,279
with it i had to

4146
02:55:36,389 --> 02:55:34,319
i had to really think about uh

4147
02:55:37,590 --> 02:55:36,399
what he had asked me you know parallel

4148
02:55:39,590 --> 02:55:37,600
worlds and

4149
02:55:41,510 --> 02:55:39,600
and alternate kevin's and am i

4150
02:55:44,710 --> 02:55:41,520
responsible that was a heavy

4151
02:55:48,150 --> 02:55:44,720
deep philosophical question

4152
02:55:51,750 --> 02:55:48,160
that was heavy it wasn't it really was

4153
02:55:54,070 --> 02:55:51,760
but it was so him we had just

4154
02:55:56,950 --> 02:55:54,080
numerous conversations like that i mean

4155
02:55:59,030 --> 02:55:56,960
we would get into some really deep stuff

4156
02:56:00,630 --> 02:55:59,040
and he could go really deep with things

4157
02:56:00,950 --> 02:56:00,640
i was like where did you come up with

4158
02:56:04,710 --> 02:56:00,960
that

4159
02:56:07,830 --> 02:56:04,720
he had so much

4160
02:56:11,110 --> 02:56:07,840
amazing to do yeah and you looked um

4161
02:56:14,150 --> 02:56:11,120
uh uh when he looked into his eyes

4162
02:56:17,910 --> 02:56:14,160
in in the pictures that we had of him

4163
02:56:22,389 --> 02:56:17,920
very wise very there's a lot

4164
02:56:26,469 --> 02:56:22,399
there was a lot going on there you know

4165
02:56:29,269 --> 02:56:26,479
you think of uh uh uh leonard skinner

4166
02:56:29,750 --> 02:56:29,279
right simple man simple kind of man that

4167
02:56:33,349 --> 02:56:29,760
wasn't

4168
02:56:35,990 --> 02:56:33,359
kevin there was nothing there's nothing

4169
02:56:39,190 --> 02:56:36,000
simple to that guy

4170
02:56:40,070 --> 02:56:39,200
that's good that's good karen thank you

4171
02:56:43,190 --> 02:56:40,080
so much

4172
02:56:46,630 --> 02:56:43,200
and uh uh i i will uh

4173
02:56:47,349 --> 02:56:46,640
get uh the uh the notes of uh the

4174
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memorial

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02:56:50,630 --> 02:56:50,240
out there on social media for everybody

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02:56:55,269 --> 02:56:50,640
and

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02:56:57,190 --> 02:56:55,279
have a very busy day on sunday

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02:56:59,190 --> 02:56:57,200
but if you can think about it uh let

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02:57:00,870 --> 02:56:59,200
everybody know that myself and the rest

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02:57:02,469 --> 02:57:00,880
of the fader knots and rita and

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02:57:05,590 --> 02:57:02,479
everybody here

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02:57:08,870 --> 02:57:05,600
um uh think about and talk about kevin

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02:57:12,230 --> 02:57:08,880
all the time we miss him and just give

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02:57:14,469 --> 02:57:12,240
everybody our best please

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02:57:15,510 --> 02:57:14,479
well i appreciate that and my best to

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02:57:18,070 --> 02:57:15,520
you jimmy

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02:57:19,750 --> 02:57:18,080
with your father and your family and and

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02:57:23,110 --> 02:57:19,760
having a safe trip and all

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02:57:25,750 --> 02:57:23,120
and keep you on our prayers

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02:57:27,510 --> 02:57:25,760
yeah and uh and karen i'm done with the

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02:57:31,269 --> 02:57:27,520
bad news for a while

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02:57:32,230 --> 02:57:31,279
okay i'm just done i'm done with the bad

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02:57:35,349 --> 02:57:32,240
news and the

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02:57:38,070 --> 02:57:35,359
sad news you know um

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02:57:38,469 --> 02:57:38,080
i i it's just it's just like wow what a

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02:57:44,790 --> 02:57:38,479
month

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02:57:45,750 --> 02:57:44,800
that's it but again our thoughts are

4198
02:57:48,950 --> 02:57:45,760
with you

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02:57:50,950 --> 02:57:48,960
your family and of course kevin and and

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02:57:52,790 --> 02:57:50,960
please if you can just let everybody

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02:57:55,349 --> 02:57:52,800
know that this audience this

4202
02:57:56,309 --> 02:57:55,359
family thinks about and loves and

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02:57:58,630 --> 02:57:56,319
appreciates

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02:57:59,990 --> 02:57:58,640
everything that kevin not only did for

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02:58:03,429 --> 02:58:00,000
us but did for the world

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02:58:05,670 --> 02:58:03,439
okay and i really mean that i appreciate

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02:58:07,670 --> 02:58:05,680
that so much jimmy and i'm

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02:58:08,870 --> 02:58:07,680
winding down here with my river moon

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02:58:11,190 --> 02:58:08,880
coffee and

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02:58:11,990 --> 02:58:11,200
the mug that kevin had that says spade

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02:58:14,870 --> 02:58:12,000
to black

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02:58:17,030 --> 02:58:14,880
thank you so much karen enjoy the rest

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02:58:18,630 --> 02:58:17,040
of your evening and give my best to your

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02:58:20,790 --> 02:58:18,640
family

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02:58:23,830 --> 02:58:20,800
i will and same to you thanks so much

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02:58:26,550 --> 02:58:23,840
jimmy it's time to fade to black

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02:58:27,510 --> 02:58:26,560
i'll talk to you karen you got it

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02:58:35,830 --> 02:58:27,520
bye-bye

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02:58:37,429 --> 02:58:35,840
sister thank you so much karen and uh

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02:58:39,750 --> 02:58:37,439
karen said to me now i got a lump in my

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02:58:41,269 --> 02:58:39,760
throat i've only got a few seconds left

4222
02:58:44,309 --> 02:58:41,279
but karen said to me she said

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02:58:46,950 --> 02:58:44,319
i would listen to the show and uh

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02:58:47,990 --> 02:58:46,960
uh and and especially when kevin and

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02:58:49,990 --> 02:58:48,000
when kevin

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02:58:52,150 --> 02:58:50,000
when i would say okay kevin give it to

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02:58:54,469 --> 02:58:52,160
us give it to me

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02:58:55,830 --> 02:58:54,479
and and he would and he would do his

4229
02:58:58,870 --> 02:58:55,840
thing and

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02:59:01,110 --> 02:58:58,880
she enjoyed that so much and and she is

4231
02:59:02,870 --> 02:59:01,120
really cool she is really cool

4232
02:59:04,550 --> 02:59:02,880
uh karen kerber thank you so much for

4233
02:59:06,550 --> 02:59:04,560
that karen and

4234
02:59:08,150 --> 02:59:06,560
with that i am going to get out of here

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02:59:09,110 --> 02:59:08,160
i want to remind everybody what's

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02:59:12,389 --> 02:59:09,120
happening

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02:59:15,990 --> 02:59:12,399
uh tomorrow we've got david marlar here

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02:59:19,510 --> 02:59:16,000
and david is sitting on

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02:59:21,110 --> 02:59:19,520
one of the biggest collections of ufo

4240
02:59:24,550 --> 02:59:21,120
documents in research

4241
02:59:26,790 --> 02:59:24,560
in the entire world and

4242
02:59:28,710 --> 02:59:26,800
uh he is compiling and going through

4243
02:59:29,030 --> 02:59:28,720
that and he allows other researchers to

4244
02:59:31,830 --> 02:59:29,040
come

4245
02:59:33,510 --> 02:59:31,840
in and and do their work we're going to

4246
02:59:34,309 --> 02:59:33,520
talk about that tomorrow night and of

4247
02:59:37,190 --> 02:59:34,319
course

4248
02:59:37,750 --> 02:59:37,200
i want his reaction and opinions on what

4249
02:59:40,790 --> 02:59:37,760
happened

4250
02:59:44,150 --> 02:59:40,800
this past sunday with 60 minutes

4251
02:59:45,269 --> 02:59:44,160
and their uap special event all of that

4252
02:59:47,110 --> 02:59:45,279
goes down

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02:59:48,950 --> 02:59:47,120
tomorrow night i am your host jimmy

4254
02:59:50,070 --> 02:59:48,960
church another great episode of faded

4255
02:59:53,510 --> 02:59:50,080
black i want to thank

4256
02:59:55,429 --> 02:59:53,520
of course nick redfearn what a great

4257
02:59:57,190 --> 02:59:55,439
conversation

4258
02:59:59,030 --> 02:59:57,200
to black's executive producers rita

4259
03:00:02,550 --> 02:59:59,040
kamarian shows produced by hill j

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03:00:04,389 --> 03:00:02,560
palm renee dennis and kevin announcers

4261
03:00:07,269 --> 03:00:04,399
are steve harter jean patel mark d

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03:00:07,590 --> 03:00:07,279
kovar webmasters drew the geek music

4263
03:00:09,870 --> 03:00:07,600
doug

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03:00:11,349 --> 03:00:09,880
aldridge intro space boy space

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03:00:13,510 --> 03:00:11,359
spaceboymusic.com

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03:00:15,190 --> 03:00:13,520
fade to black is produced by kjcr for

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03:00:16,950 --> 03:00:15,200
the game changer network and syndication

4268
03:00:19,030 --> 03:00:16,960
is kgra

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03:00:21,429 --> 03:00:19,040
the planet this broadcast owned a

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03:00:23,110 --> 03:00:21,439
copyrighted 2021 by fade to black in the

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03:00:25,190 --> 03:00:23,120
game changer network inc

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03:00:26,870 --> 03:00:25,200
it cannot be re-broadcast downloaded

4273
03:00:27,590 --> 03:00:26,880
copied or used anywhere in the known

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03:00:29,349 --> 03:00:27,600
universe

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03:00:30,790 --> 03:00:29,359
without written permission from paid to

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03:00:31,990 --> 03:00:30,800
black or the game changer network i'm

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03:00:34,630 --> 03:00:32,000
your host jimmy church

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03:00:35,990 --> 03:00:34,640
until tomorrow night with david marlar i

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03:01:04,830 --> 03:00:36,000
want everybody to be